Dear ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the conference call of VERBUND AG. At our customer's request, this conference will be recorded. As a reminder, all participants will be in a listen-only mode, and after the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. If any participant has difficulties hearing the conference, please press star key followed by zero on your telephone for operator assistance. We now hand you over to Peter Kollmann, who will lead you through this conference. Please go ahead. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Andreas Wollein and I would like to welcome you to our presentation for the full year 2020 numbers. Let me thank you for joining today's conference call. Before we move into the analysis of our business development, let me make a few general comments about the business year 2020. The year 2020 was characterized by obviously COVID-19 pandemic issues, and its severe repercussions on the economy and the markets. The energy market environment drastically deteriorated due to low demand, oversupply of CO2 certificates, and decreased prices for coal, gas, and oil. The situation improved, and in the second half of 2020, VERBUND was able to present very respectable numbers despite the crisis. We saw an increase of 56.1% in our share price in 2020, making VERBUND by far the most valuable company in the Austrian stock index, ATX. This confirms the positive effect of our measures taken in the past, which as you know focused on strengthening the free cash flow and reducing debt levels. The rating agencies S&P and Moody's recently affirmed our rating at single A stable and A3 stable. With these ratings, VERBUND is among the top performers regarding its rating levels in the utility sector. Because of our very clear, sustainable position and consistent implementation of comprehensive measures in the past, VERBUND was able to prove the resilience of our business model to cope with crisis and volatility. At the beginning, let me highlight the most important influencing factors for our results development in 2020. The water supply determining the generation from our run-of-river hydropower plants was one percentage point higher than the long-term average and exactly the same as in full year 2019. The contributions from the hydro and sales segments were higher than in 2019, whereas the contributions from the grid segment and the renewable segment and all other segments were lower compared to last year. The last influencing factor I would like to mention are slightly higher contributions from our flexibility products. The impact of these influencing factors and the key figures of VERBUND in 2020 are as follows. Reported and adjusted EBITDA increased by 9.2% to EUR 1.292 billion. The reported group results increased by 13.8% to EUR 631 million, and the adjusted group results increased by 11.2% to EUR 610 million. The operating cash flow is very strong at a level of EUR 1.19 billion, being only 1.1% lower than in full year 2019, so basically the same. The free cash flow after dividend was positive at a level of EUR 299.5, but 53% lower than in full year 2019. The change is mainly due to higher investments into tangible assets and higher dividend payments compared to 2019. The free cash flow allowed us to reduce the debt level further. Net debt decreased by 16.6% to EUR 1.88 billion. Based on the strong results, we will propose a dividend of EUR 0.75 per share in our AGM on the 20th of April, which reflects a payout ratio of 41.3% on our reported group results and the 42.7% on the adjusted group results. In the following charts, I will explain the influencing factors on our results development in more detail. Let me start with the analysis of our generation volumes. After a good first quarter in 2020, we saw very low hydro volumes in the second quarter, followed by above average levels in Q3 and Q4. For the full year at 1.01, the hydro coefficient was exactly the same level as in 2019 and one percentage point above the long-term average. The generation of annual storage power plants increased significantly by close to 15% in the quarters one to four 2020. Own production from hydropower slightly increased by 864 GWh or 2.8% compared to 2019. Generation from thermal power plants was down by 34% to 536 GWh. Our CCGT in Mellach produced 201 GWh less electricity in the reporting period due to lower congestion management. The Mellach district heating power plant, which has been used exclusively in gas operation since the end of the first quarter 2020, reported a reduction of 335 GWh. The generation from wind power slightly decreased by 5 GWh, or a very small 0.6%, due to less favorable wind conditions in Austria. Generation from PV amounted to approximately 1 GWh in 2020. The second important influencing factor on our results are the average achieved contract prices. In 2020, based on our hedging strategy, we achieved an average contract price for our hydro generation of EUR 44.6, compared to EUR 39 for 2019. Please note that based on our hedging strategy, we hedge the majority of the volumes up to 1.5 years in advance. As you know, one euro plus or minus in the power price has a sensitivity of approximately EUR 25 million in our EBITDA line. On the next page, we talk about our flexibility products. That is, of course, one of the major trends in the new energy world. Volatility in the European grid system is exacerbated by the massive build-out of renewables with our very flexible asset base consisting of CO2-free, low-cost pumped storage power plants and the most modern CCGT in Austria. We're very well positioned to benefit from this trend. 2020 ended slightly higher than 2019 in terms of flexibility products, with results contribution amounting to approximately EUR 122 million. We saw lower contributions from congestion management and provision of control reserve energy, but higher results from pumping and intraday trading. Please also note that since October 2018, our CCGT Mellach has been put into a strategic reserve mechanism in Austria, under which we receive a fixed capacity payment and a payment for the generation. As a consequence, we have changed what used to be an unpredictable volatile cash flow against a secure, stable cash flow for a period of three years. For 2021, we guide on a relatively conservative base of an EBITDA contribution of approximately EUR 90 million from flexibility products. Next page on the grid. The Austrian high voltage grid with a system length of 7,000 km and interconnected capacities with seven neighboring countries, is strategically of high importance for the group, because of its growing importance in the European grid system, and of course, because of its regulated character. Under IFRS, in contrast to local GAAP, we have a volatility in our results contribution, which we cannot avoid. What are the main differences? Revenue surpluses or shortfalls under IFRS are not utilized or compensated via the so-called regulatory accounts. Under IFRS, no rate provisions or asset line items are recognized, IFRS uses different depreciation and amortization bases, useful lives, and capitalization of foreign costs in comparison to local GAAP. What you see here is we show you the comparison between local GAAP and IFRS, so that you have the numbers in the most transparent way. Please note that the current regulatory period started on the 1st of January 2018 with a WACC of 4.88% pre-tax for existing assets and 5.2% pre-tax, including an investment markup for new assets, therefore, on average, approximately 5%. The regulatory period lasts from 2018-2022, and the regulatory asset base for 2021 is approximately EUR 1.9 billion, with a very strong increasing trend. The next slide shows the non-recurring effects in 2020. There were no one-offs in the EBITDA section, neither in 2019 nor in 2020. In 2020, we had negative non-recurring effects related to impairments of our Mellach CCGT and the Austrian hydropower plants, Romanian wind farms, that amounted to EUR 25 million in total. The reversal of impairments related to our wind power plants in Romania, with a positive EUR 32.9 million. In total, the operating results showed non-recurring effects of EUR 7.9 million. Of course, we have the initial consolidation of our SMATRICS mobility+, which caused a positive non-recurring effect of EUR 1.9 million. In other results from equity interest, we have a non-recurring effect of EUR 4.3 million related to a retrospective revenue received from the sale of Sorgenia, our Italian participation, which we sold years ago. We also had a large positive non-recurring effect in the other financial results related to the measurement of an obligation to return an interest in the hydropower plant Jochenstein, which amounted to EUR 32.9 million. There was also a reversal of an impairment for hydropower plant Ashta in Albania amounting to EUR 3.4 million. In total, the financial results showed non-recurring effects of EUR 41.8 million. We had a change in the tax qualification of an electricity purchase right, and the effects due to the non-recurring effects mentioned before, made an overall effect of EUR 29.3 million in taxes. After considering the impact from the non-recurring effects on minorities, the non-recurring effects on the group results level amounted to EUR 21 million. Now I would like to hand over to Andreas, who will take you through our key figures and our financial liabilities. Please, Andreas. Thank you, Peter. Going quickly through the development of the key figures, let me first start with the EBITDA. As highlighted, reported EBITDA increased by 9.2% to EUR 1.293 billion. The reported group results increased by 13.8% to EUR 631.4 million. The group results development were influenced by one-off effects, adjusted for these one-off effects, the adjusted group results increased by 11.2% to EUR 610 million. The positive overall development is mainly a result of the higher contribution from the hydro segment due to higher average achieved contract prices stemming from increased forward price levels at the wholesale markets. In addition, the increased production from hydropower contributed positively. The sales segment also showed a positive development, mainly due to some extraordinary valuation effects, and the contributions from the grid segment and from all other segments had a negative effect due to the reasons mentioned by Peter before in the chart. The EBITDA margin is very attractive. It increased from 30.4% to 40%. The EBIT margin increased to 28.5% from 22%. Based on this positive development of results, we will propose to the shareholders in our AGM on April 20th a dividend per share of EUR 0.75, so EUR 0.75, which corresponds to a payout ratio of 41.3% on the reported group results and a payout ratio of 42.7% on the adjusted group results. If we move on to the next slide, let's turn to the development of the cash flow. The operating cash flow in 2020 slightly decreased to a level of EUR 1.191 billion. The reason for this slight decrease was higher tax payments compared to last year, whereas lower interest payments had a positive effect. The additions to tangible assets also increased to EUR 628 million. This increase was caused by CapEx for grid projects and maintenance CapEx related to hydropower plants. The main projects are the 380 kV line in Austria and the hydropower plant in Töging in the southern parts of Germany. The free cash flow before dividends was highly positive. Before dividends, it was at the level of EUR 590.9 million. After dividends, that's EUR 299.5 million. Of course, this positive development or this positive free cash flow after dividends was the reason why we again could improve our leverage situation. The net debt figure decreased from EUR 2.3 billion-EUR 1.9 billion, and corresponding net debt EBITDA went down to 1.5. Next slide shows the development of the financial liabilities. The debt maturity profile shows only very small repayments this year of around EUR 30 million. The next peak is in 2024, where we have to repay an outstanding bond in the amount of EUR 500 million. As always, we have sufficient liquidity backup with a EUR 500 million syndicated loan facility, which is undrawn, and we also have a substantial amount of uncommitted lines. The total amount of the financial liabilities went significantly down. It's now far below a billion, so at the level of EUR 859 million. The average interest rate on our debt is 2.31%. Still a declining trend, of course. Yeah, 100% of our financial liabilities are denominated in EUR. A last word on the rating levels. I think we had two confirmations. S&P as well as Moody's confirmed the attractive rating levels of the bond at a single A flat stable outlook and A3 stable outlook. We are still among the best-rated utilities in this sector, and I think this was clearly a positive signal confirming, let's say, our current positioning and strategy. Let me pass on now to Peter again for explaining the CapEx plan. Thank you, Andreas. This is an important page. As you can see, we have increased our CapEx plan to almost EUR 2.3 billion. The main part of the group CapEx, approximately EUR 728 million, will be invested into the regulated grid business, especially into our 380 kV Salzburg line, in order to increase the capacity to integrate new renewables and better address the volatility and congestion in the grid system. In addition, VERBUND is also investing into new renewable projects and selective hydropower plants. The investments related to Austria and Germany, basically the new renewable projects and hydropower. In addition to the growth CapEx, we are planning to invest around EUR 884 million into maintenance and substance CapEx between 2021 and 2023, so that's approximately EUR 300 million per year. On the next page, to our acquisition of Gas Connect Austria. As you know, Gas Connect Austria is the Austrian gas transmission operator, where we are acquiring 51%. I'd like to mention that we expect the closing of the transaction to take place in the first half year of 2021. We discussed the strategic rationale for the acquisition in previous conference calls, but can certainly do it again if you were so interested. On the next slide, you will find the expected financial implications of the transaction. It's very important that these implications are not yet reflected in the figures for VERBUND. They will only be considered after the closing. When we come to the outlook at the end of our results presentation, as you know, key parameters for the development of our operational business are prices and hydro volumes. At the end of 2020, we had hedged approximately 66% of our hydro generation at an average price of EUR 44, which is slightly below the level of the full year 2020. However, on a mark-to-market basis as of February 24th, the average achieved price would be at the level of EUR 46.20, approximately EUR 1.6 above the 2020 level. We've also hedged approximately 15% of our hydro generation at an average price of EUR 44.6 for 2022. The mark-to-market valuation shows a level of around EUR 63 for this year. With regard to the year-to-date hydro situation, we have to report a hydro coefficient of 1.03 for today, which is 3 percentage points above the long-term average. Now, on the basis of the aforementioned developments, the guidance for the full year 2021 is an EBITDA of approximately EUR 1.08 billion-EUR 1.3 billion and a group result of approximately EUR 450 million-EUR 590 million. This, of course, under the assumption of average hydropower and wind generation for 2021, as well as the chances and risks which we have within the group being dependent on the number of external factors which we cannot influence. For the financial year 2021, VERBUND plans to pay out between 45% and 55% of the group result after adjustments for non-recurring effects of between approximately EUR 450 million to EUR 590 million. Again, please note that this guidance does not reflect the financial implications from the planned acquisition of the 51% stake in Gas Connect Austria. As always at this point, I would like to give you the sensitivities. A deviation of ±1% in the generation from hydropower plants has an impact of around EUR 8 million on the group results as a consequence of the fact that we have already hedged quite a lot for 2021. A deviation of ±1% in the generation from wind power has an impact of relatively small EUR 0.5 million, and a deviation of ± EUR 1 in the wholesale price has an impact of ± EUR 5.8 million in the group results. Now with that, I would like to hand over to the conference organizers and to the Q&A. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our question-and-answer session. If you have a question for our speakers, please dial zero and one on your telephone keypad now to enter the queue. Once your name has been announced, you can ask a question. If you find your question has answered before it is your turn to speak, you can dial zero and two to cancel your question. If you are using speaker equipment today, please lift the handset before making your selection. One moment please for the first question. The first question is from Wanda Serwinowska, Credit Suisse. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning. Wanda Serwinowska, Credit Suisse. Three questions for me, if I may. The first one is on your 2020 EBITDA guidance, which seems to be a bit light, because if I take 2020 as a starting point, I add in EUR 50 million from a higher achieved power price, if you mark to market, EUR 50 million from GCA. I know there is a EUR 50 million headwind from the lower grid earnings and EUR 30 million headwind from the flexibility. I just struggle to see why EUR 1,300 is the top end of your guidance. Am I missing something? Is it a higher corporate cost? What I'm missing here? The second point is on your dividend. You decided to pay only 33% payout ratio for 2020, which is the kind of lower half of the guidance. At the same time, you're raising the payout ratio for next year. My question is, why didn't you increase the payout ratio to 50% for 2020? It wouldn't be a massive impact on your cash flow. If you could help me to understand that. The third one is on the renewables law in Austria. Hasn't been any update. When or where can we see any update? What do you expect, and when can we see finally VERBUND producing more than a few megawatts of the new capacity given your 2030 target date? Thank you very much. Yeah, Wanda, thank you. I will start with the first one, which is a very logical question. I will go through the items, why we have decreased our guidance. First of all, something you already mentioned, on the grid, we have a lower contribution. There are basically two reasons. The first one is that we have a very large regulatory account of around EUR 315 million for today. We are decreasing the regulatory account to around EUR 280 million. That is EUR 35 million right there, which has an impact. At the same time, we will have a lower contribution from the grid because of congestion management. Let me remind you that in 2020, we had lower expenses on congestion management. As a result of that, the IFRS numbers were higher than we had originally expected. We also think that flexibility products are going to come down by, as you have seen before, quite a significant number. Of course, as we have a very large plan in terms of growth and CapEx investments in a lot of different areas, the grid side, of course, hydro, new renewables. We're working on a number of hydrogen projects. Our cost, OpEx, has gone up by approximately EUR 40 million between personnel and other operating expenses. When you take all that together, you get to the delta which you were looking for. In terms of the dividends, we have increased our dividend for the year 2020 to EUR 0.75. You might remember that the previous dividend was at EUR 0.69. We were basically guided by giving you a linear development in our dividend payments. When you go all the way back to 2016, you will see that every year we have paid higher dividend in absolute numbers. We have increased again here between 2019 and 2020. We also want to show you a dividend increase in 2021, which is the reason why we have increased our payout ratio from the original range of 40%-50% to 45%-55% to give us more flexibility to increase the payout ratio if necessary. The third point was on the renewables. If I understood you correctly, you were looking for an update in terms of the renewables framework. I cannot give you an update because the entire law still has to go through Parliament before it will finally be published with all its specifics and details, will probably be around the summer. Please bear with us on the law. I can tell you, and this is something I've already said last time, I don't think that the law will have a huge impact on us. In terms of renewable build out, we could have some impact on pump storage and possibly on smaller hydro. But there we don't have any details. But in terms of PV and wind, as far as I see it today, it is a lot is focused on smaller PV installations. I think retail and smaller companies should be incentivized to build small PV on the roofs. Thank you very much. Just one quick follow-up. Sure. When you said OpEx is going up by EUR 40 million, is it something that we should incorporate into our models for the next few years, or is it just a one-off this year? Sorry, I missed the hydro levels year to date. If you could just repeat it, I would be very grateful. Yeah. The hydro levels for today are 1.03. You should account for the EUR 40 million OpEx increase in your models going forward. Peter, thanks a lot. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press zero and one on your telephone keypad now. The next question is from Lueder Schumacher, Société Générale. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Good morning. My first question is also on the great mystery that is your full year guidance given at the beginning of the year. Did I understand correctly that you have not included Gas Connect Austria in the guidance numbers you gave us? Lueder, you have only one question. Is this possible? Only one question, okay. Only one for now. I get it. Only one for now. I can come up, t here will be more. With many sub questions. Basically if Gas Connect Austria, which you say the expected EBITDA contribution is EUR 65 million, if that is not included in the full year guidance you have given? It is not included in the full year guidance. We should really think about the mid-range of your guidance as EUR 1.25 billion instead of EUR 1.19 billion. You can, Lueder. What we will do is as soon as we have closed and come out with the consolidated numbers, we will give you a new guidance, which basically encompasses both Gas Connect Austria and the additional data points which we have at that point in time. Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Power prices, carbon of course, being the main driver here, have moved ahead quite sharply. You're still relatively open for 2021, only 66% hedged. You already gave the market there. I would've thought that you had a slightly bigger impact. It still seems even the midpoint seems quite conservative given that I think you also said on the flexibility products that your guidance is quite conservative. Also, I'm not quite sure why you expect flexibility products to come down in the year where we would hopefully see demand recovery. Maybe you can elaborate a bit on this, and then, of course, your view on current power prices and CO2 prices. That would be quite amazing. Sure. Well, first of all, on the hedging levels. The hedging levels, if I include today, sort of like the situation per today, is likely higher, is already above 70%, and there the mark to market would be around EUR 46. You're right, Lueder, if CO2 prices go up further, if power prices go up further, i.e., the short forwards and the spot prices, which we will then use for 2021, then of course there is an upside. However, we have seen a lot of volatility within the last few years. We have seen major moves upwards, but we have also seen huge moves downwards. That is something where it remains to be seen, and what we have taken is we have taken the current forwards in order to come up with the EUR 46. Yes, there is an opportunity. In terms of flexibility products, it is very hard and I'm perfectly fine to admit that. It is very hard to really determine what congestion management would be even for the next four to six weeks, let alone for the entire year. That is, as you can imagine, a discussion we are having with our experts in terms of congestion management, but it depends on so many variables that it is very difficult to say. What we see is that with the grid build out, which has happened over the last few years, with the 4,900 MW electricity frontier between Germany and Austria, we have seen that there is slightly less pressure on congestion management. That is a reason why we think that flexibility products will come down slightly, and we're also predicting slightly lower pumping and turbining for this year. In a combination between those two, this is where our assessment is coming from. Then we think that in terms of storage, we have used, in terms of our optimization of our storage content in the Alps, we have done quite a lot in the last quarter of last year, which you have seen in that increase, which I have described before, of between 14% and 15%. We are estimating for this year that we will use slightly less from our pump storage. I can't give you a specific number. If you take all that together with the points I made to Wanda before, this is how you come up with the guidance which we have given. What you said is very important. Those numbers do not include Gas Connect Austria. Thank you. Just one follow-up question, if I may. You said on the grid, EBITDA, that the regulatory account has come down by EUR 35 million in, w ill come down in 2021. Is that something we should expect on a regular basis, i.e., every year there should be these headwinds of EUR 35 million? Yes. As we have discussed that the regulatory account will be decreased. I wouldn't say that we have to account for EUR 35 million every year. We think that because it has gone up so much higher than we expected, because the regulator has not included the regulatory account in the last few tariff rounds, we actually want the regulatory accounts to be decreased. We think that possibly, we don't have an agreement yet with the regulator, but we assume this year EUR 35 million. It could be less. Going forward, what we would like to do is decrease the regulatory account by between EUR 20 million and EUR 25 million. EUR 20 to EUR 25. That's great. Thank you very much. The next question is from Teresa Schinwald, Raiffeisen Bank International. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning. As I can hear some reluctance to comment on the renewables extension law, I rather focus on renewables in general. Your CapEx plan shows a marked increase in expenses for new renewables in 2023. Could you shed some light on the pipeline as these assets are now under high demand? It's quite a seller's market. Just to give you some feeling. This will be my first question. Yeah, sure. The organic pipeline, as we in this round have discussed before, is very challenging. This is not just true for Austria, but it's also true for Germany. Just to give you an example, in Germany, around 100 GW of solar, at least, should be built until 2030. If you look at the annual progress that has been made there, it is not the 10 GW per annum, but it is much, much less. I think we're going to have a similar issue in Austria. I think that the 12,000 MW that need to be built in Austria until 2030 in PV is a very, very significant number. We're currently at 1,700 MW, that is a dramatic increase. When you know Austria and the Austrian topographic situation, you will see that this is challenging. As a result of that, we think that our organic growth in Austria in PV is not going to be a huge number, is not going to be very significant. We think that on the inorganic side in Germany, but also outside Germany, we will make acquisitions within the next few years, and those acquisitions should increase our installed capacity significantly. Thank you. Another maybe a bit general and philosophical question as well. On its Power Day this week, VW announced that charging EVs, electric vehicles, one day will be for free. How would you see VERBUND in such a potential world? Also with respect to your engagement in SMATRICS. Also the consensus for Austria that actually 330 charging stations would have to be built each day to achieve the 30% electric vehicle target by 2030. Yeah. I think that the plans in terms of charging stations, when you look across Europe at the reality with a few exceptions, Norway being a very well-known one, the Netherlands also doing extremely well. There are many parts of Europe where the build-up of charging stations is very slow. The reason is that the business model only works if you can really have huge scale, which is why I think that over the next 5- 10 years, we are going to see a relatively small number of players that are going to run charging stations across wide geographic regions, in order to take advantage of scalability. Our business is a regional business, very much focused on Austria and Germany. We have two components to the business. One is the managed infrastructure, which is basically everything you need on top of the hardware. We have a joint venture together with EnBW, for charging stations. Okay. Thank you. The next question is from Martin Tessier, Stifel, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Yes, good morning. I have two questions. The first one is the following. You indicate EUR 65 million EBITDA and EUR 13 million in group results in 2021 from GCA. Can you confirm that these numbers factor in the returns of the new regulatory period that started this year and until 2024, just to be sure that we don't have to adjust another time with lower returns, I guess? The second question, you just said that you still consider M&A in renewables, it's still on your agenda. Could you give us your view on the current valuations on the sector? Do you think that you will need to wait until there is a further correction of valuations or do you think that some deals could be seen as attractive even today? Thanks. On the first one, the regulatory framework is going to be stable. For the gas business, we have a regulatory period that is actually longer than the one for APG, until 2024. Within that regulatory period, there will not be any changes. On the second one, now that is a very difficult and highly philosophical question. The valuation of renewables is complex, if I may say. The key driver for calculating returns on renewables, both onshore, offshore, and PV, and of course hydro as well, but hydro is a little bit different, I can explain it in a second, is of course the power price, the capture price. We know in different regions, we know exactly in different regions, how many sun hours we have. In Central Europe, it's around 1,000. In Spain, it is around 2,000. That has a significant impact on the profitability of solar. On the wind side, we have highly sophisticated measurements. We don't have as much history as with PV looking back, but it is a pretty good science to look at wind and wind hours. As a result of that, the key parameters for the IRR calculations are obviously the power price, which determines the cash flow in the future. It is the length of your investment. You might remember that we had a time not too long ago when we looked at 20 years, then it was increased to 25 years. Now it is everybody's looking at a life cycle of 35 years. In PV, some people argue that it should be 40 years, because of technical progress and quality of the panels and installations. Me personally, I think 40 years is too long. We use 35 years now. Of course it's the discount rate, it's the WACC. The WACC for everybody has come down a lot. All that is framed in a trend, which is massive and which is going in only one direction, and that trend is that every utility and a lot of financial players are buying renewables. You're right. The prices have gone up. They have gone up a lot. It is very difficult to predict what they're going to be in the future. As a result of that, everybody needs to rely on their own models and their own calculations. As we have discussed on this very conference call a few times, we are trying to take a very entrepreneurial approach. We don't just look at our model and future cash flows, we do a lot of simulations. We look at a lot of different scenarios, and then we come up with numbers which we think are the appropriate ones in terms of risk-return relationship. As a result of that, we have participated in the past in a number of M&A situations. Sometimes we have come close to winning, but so far, we have not acquired a big inorganic situation. In the future, we will continue to do so. If it takes longer to buy because we stick to what we think is the right price, as you can see from our CapEx numbers, we have many opportunities to invest, i.e., into hydro, into the grid, into substance at our hydropower stations, and then, of course, into the organic growth in Germany and Austria. Okay. Thank you. The next question is from Peter Bisztyga, Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning, gentlemen. I just wanted to ask you about this Limberg III project, this 480 MW, EUR 480 million investment that you discussed in your report. On the topic of returns, I just want to ask what investment signals are you seeing to support the FID on this quite large investment? Should we think about a certain pump spread range that makes these kind of pump hydro projects economical? Also if you have more projects of this size in the pipeline for the next few years or actually this is perhaps a special one. The final one is, what the completion date is for this particular project. I think you're expecting to take FID this year, but this probably will take a few years to complete. Whether this is in your 2021 to 2023 CapEx budget or actually it falls beyond that horizon. Thank you. Yeah. Those are very good points, and I will go through them line by line. First of all, just to give you the bird's eye perspective, Limberg III is a project we have been working on for a very long time. Not talking sort of five, six years, rather decades. Limberg III is, you're right, very complex in terms of building it. It is part of a set of reservoirs and pumping stations that are all building one huge complex in 2,000 m up in the Alps. At the same time, this is exactly where VERBUND excels. Doing those complex hydropower projects, without being arrogant, I think we are among the best in the world. This is something where I'm extremely confident that we're going to build it within the timeframe which we have given you. Now, why does it make sense from a business point of view? It is part of this complex system, and it allows us with the newest pumps which we're going to use for this 480-MW project, to take advantage of low prices and high prices every second of the day. We have a capacity also by creating a 13 million cubic meters more reservoir, which comes also with the Limberg III project. We will be able to take advantage of the pump spreads 24/7 at a high volume. That is going to optimize our entire Kaprun fleet, which also includes Limberg I and Limberg II. The project, as a result of that, particularly within the framework of the energy transformation we're going through, we think is a very significant one for Kaprun, and it will make sense from a system point of view, from the fact that what the future is going to look like in terms of needing pump storage, but also in terms of its cash flow contribution to the business. Did you have an additional question with regards to Limberg? I think it was on completion and whether the CapEx is in your three-year horizon or falls beyond that. Thank you. No, in terms of the CapEx, only part of the CapEx is included in our figures. I can tell you why. Limberg III has only been approved yesterday afternoon. We had a supervisory board meeting yesterday, and we have received approval for building Limberg III. As a result, it has not been fully included into the numbers. When you look at the numbers of EUR 2.3 billion, and if you include Limberg III, the numbers will go up. However, those are three-year figures, and some areas might not be as high as we have originally anticipated because of Limberg, I would not add the full EUR 480 million on top of the existing figures, but a smaller amount. Okay. Understood. Thank you. There are no further questions. I hand back to the speakers for closing remarks. Thank you very much. Those were very good questions and very good discussions, which we would like to thank you for. I wish you all the best. Stay healthy, and look forward to speaking to you soon. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This call has been concluded. You may disconnect now.
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