Call regarding the first quarter results 2026. Please note that this call is being transmitted as well as recorded by audio webcast and will subsequently be made available for replay in the internet. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. The floor will be open for questions following Bettina Orlopp and Carsten Schmitt presentation. Let me now turn the floor over to our CEO, Bettina Orlopp. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our earnings call. Carsten and I are pleased to present the results of a very good start to the year for Commerzbank. We have delivered a record quarterly profit, which gives us the confidence to raise our outlook for 2026 and to present an even more ambitious strategic path towards 2030. Our message today is clear. With momentum, we are delivering on our promises, and with Momentum 2030, we are accelerating our transformation to deliver higher profitability faster. Let's start with a summary of the key figures for the quarter. We increased our revenues to EUR 3.2 billion and delivered a record net result of EUR 913 million. The 5% year-on-year growth in our total revenues was broad-based, demonstrating the health of our underlying client business. This top-line growth, combined with our strict cost discipline, translated into an even stronger 11% increase in our operating result, which reached EUR 1.4 billion. It highlights the enhanced operating leverage we have successfully built into our business model. The bottom line figures translate into an excellent return on tangible equity of 12.7%, underpinned by a very strong cost-income ratio of 53%. Carving out compulsory contributions, our cost-income ratio is already at 50%. Our CET1 ratio stands at a very solid 14.5%, well above our targeted ratio of 13.5%. This excellent start to the year gives us the conviction and the confidence to raise our guidance for the full-year 2026. Against the backdrop of the German economy that is still expected to grow by 0.6% at an average ECB rate of 2.2%, we now target a net result of at least EUR 3.4 billion. We are tightening our cost-income ratio target to 53%. Consequently, we are raising our RoTE target to 12%. What remains unchanged and what is a cornerstone of our equity story is our commitment to a total payout of 100% of the net result after AT1 coupon payments and before extraordinary non-recurring items. This upgraded guidance confirms the powerful traction of our momentum strategy which has proven to be highly successful for Commerzbank. The guiding principle of our momentum strategy is delivery for all key stakeholders, and this remains front and center also with our upgraded strategy, Momentum 2030. For investors, we will deliver what we promise, continuously improving profitability and ensuring reliable, attractive capital return. For our clients, we are a very strong and dependable partner, investing in our products and services to provide them with attractive solutions tailored to their specific needs, which ultimately drives our growth. For our employees, we are fostering an attractive work environment and a culture of ownership, for instance, through our successful employee share program. It allows them to participate directly in the long-term success of our company. Today, we have started the subscription period for the next offering of Commerzbank shares to all our colleagues. With Momentum 2030, we are accelerating our strategy with a simple and powerful goal: delivering higher profitability faster. We will achieve this through further profitable growth and an accelerated transformation of the bank towards higher efficiency. On growth, we are scaling up our proven and well-established business models in both our Private and Corporate Clients segments. On transformation, we are fundamentally transforming how we operate by leveraging the power of AI and driving further efficiency throughout the organization. By combining growth and transformation, we will achieve significant scaling effects, including a well-contained cost base and a step change in productivity. This will create a clear and tangible path towards our new targets for 2030. A RoTE of 21%, a net result of EUR 5.9 billion, a cost-income ratio of 43%, and a revenue CAGR of 6%. Adjusted for compulsory contributions, our targeted cost-income ratio is planned to reach even 41%. Let me point out that Momentum 2030 is not an Excel spreadsheet exercise, but the result of a diligent strategy process. It involves the entire management team who have viewed all business levers to identify tangible transformation and growth cases for their respective areas. This strategy comes to life in our client segments. In our Corporate Clients business, we will continue our profitable growth by supporting the backbone of the German economy, the Mittelstand, and by leveraging our unique global network. In our Private and Small-Business Customers business, we will increase the growth via our digital channels and expand our high-valued advisory services for our wealth and premium clients. mBank pursues this highly successful strategy full speed ahead and will significantly contribute to our group targets. Let me deep dive a few important cornerstones of our business model and our strategy towards 2030 and start with Corporate Clients. A crucial driver of our strength is our international franchise, anchored in Germany and connected globally. With our Strategy 2024, we right-sized the international network and realigned the business to full connectivity with our home markets. In Germany, relationship managers and product specialists support the Mittelstand with their domestic business across our entire product range. Internationally, we provide a complete corporate banking offering to support our clients in their cross-border needs with local expertise in important markets. Through rep offices and corresponding bank relationships, we combine local presence with flexibility along key trade corridors in a very efficient way. I want to be very clear on this point. Our international business is an integral and highly valuable part of our DNA. Our bank was founded 156 years ago with a mission to support German trade globally. This mission is as relevant today as it was then. Let me make this tangible with a typical example that perfectly illustrates the value of our integrated network. Consider a German engineering firm with a subsidiary in China. They are a long-standing client of Commerzbank in Germany and work closely with our international network. The subsidiary in China wanted to bid on a EUR 10 million contract to supply a plant to an importer in Africa. The process began with a bidding phase. To even participate, our client needed to provide a bid bond. They instructed our branch in China to issue this guarantee. Thanks to our established network of several banks in the importer's country, we were able to negotiate the best possible terms for our client, who ultimately won the contract. The next step was the export financing. The construct stipulated payment via a confirmed letter of credit to mitigate the non-payment risk for our German exporter. The importer's bank in Africa was tasked with opening the LC. This bank is one of our correspondents, meaning we were perfectly positioned to handle the transaction. Our rep officer in that African country provided us with up-to-the-minute political and financial data on the country and the bank. This on-the-ground intelligence justifies the necessary credit lines. After confirmation of the LC, our client started the delivery of the plant and ultimately received the money. This single transaction shows a profitable full chain in action and demonstrates that our international franchise is a unique core asset that strengthen our entire business. The international franchise contributes around EUR 1.8 billion in revenues. This franchise is tightly connected to our core Corporate Clients base in Germany and DACH. It strengthens our ability to support German multinationals, subsidiaries of the German Mittelstand abroad and international corporates with DACH connectivity. We hold a leading market share of 30% in German trade finance, and a remarkable 58% of our Corporate Clients' revenues are generated with clients who are anchored in this international network. This is a truly unique value proposition, and we will continuously adjust our footprint to meet the needs of our Mittelstand. Serving the Mittelstand only mean corporate banking, but also wealth management for the families owning these companies. This is the perfect bridge over to private clients. Investable assets in the wealth management segment in Germany are expected to grow by almost EUR 1 trillion by 2028. Equally important, Germany is facing a decade of generational transitions in the Mittelstand. We are in the best position to benefit from this potential as we have the strongest access to the family-owned businesses. With our holistic approach as one-stop shop, we have significant growth opportunities. Our well-balanced product and service offering as well as AI will support us on our journey to become the family office of the Mittelstand. comdirect, on the other hand, is well established at digital primary bank and performance broker. It is our successful answer to neobrokers. We are investing in the further development of the digital user experience and the value proposition, including the expansion of trading functionalities and AI-based order triggers. We are developing our app further into a content hub, including financial education, while consistently driving efficiency gains and AI support for customer service. The vision for 2030 is very clear. A fully digital banking and brokerage experience that simply works and gives customers maximum autonomy. This is a strong strategic fit with our Momentum 2030 agenda because it combines growth with scalability. The growth strategies in our customer-facing businesses are complemented by efficiency measures on the transformation path of the bank. We are targeting a net cost reduction and higher capital efficiency in Commerzbank ex mBank. On cost, we will make further use of our well-established shoring and sourcing locations, eg in Sofia and in Kuala Lumpur. We will reduce external resources, rationalization and the use of AI. This comes in sync with the ongoing effort to reduce complexity and optimize processes. On the capital side, we keep steering for RWA efficiency to increase the value accretion of our business. SRTs will further contribute to capital efficiency by freeing up risk-weighted assets. Now let me talk about AI at Commerzbank. AI is already well established in our banking operations. It is a core driver of efficiency and a creator of new revenue opportunities. We are already applying AI across customer experience, operational excellence and risk management. Let me highlight three recent examples. First, in retail banking, the implementation of an end-to-end process redesigned for an optimized complaint management has started by applying agentic AI. Second, in risk management, we have successfully introduced Hawk AI, an AI model that significantly improves the efficiency and effectiveness in generating transaction monitoring alerts. Third, on operational excellence, we start integrating AI into the credit analysis. Very promising examples are the AI-based screening of annual reports and the origination of early warning messages. These are all practical applications with practical impact to drive our transformation. We are backing the AI value realization with a substantial financial commitment, planning for approximately EUR 600 million in cumulative AI investments through 2030. We are driving efficiency with three key approaches. First, we increase workplace productivity using tools such as Microsoft Copilot and Gemini, and we have established an AI Academy to upskill employees. Second, we will use agentic AI to increase product and process efficiency, including the setup of an agentic AI factory. Third, we will make use of agentic software development, which will accelerate the modernization of our application landscape. By those means, we will free up around 10% of capacity, which will be partially redeployed to customer interactions. Overall, we will create tangible value of EUR 500 million per annum, of which 70% is assigned to cost reduction. This is what we can quantify today, but the technology and its capabilities are evolving exponentially, and we believe that we will see further upside to these numbers as we progress. In short, AI is a key driver of our Momentum 2030 strategy and supports our confidence in upgrading our targets for 2028. We have a transparent and credible roadmap to a return on tangible equity of 17% in 2028, 2 percentage points more than envisaged one year ago. Starting from our expected RoTE of 12% in 2026, the journey is driven by clear quantifiable levers. We anticipate strong contributions from both net interest income and net commission income. NII will benefit from the replication portfolio as well as from growth in loans and deposits. NCI should sustain the strong growth path of 7% each year. Critically, the impact of our efficiency measures will largely offset inflationary pressures and necessary investments. This is the operating leverage of Momentum 2030 translated into financial outcomes. We will not stop there. We see a clear path to an even higher return of 21% by 2030, which comes with a competitive cost-income ratio of 41% when excluding the compulsory contributions. Furthermore, we will continue to distribute our full earnings until our targeted CET1 ratio of 13.5% is reached. The replication portfolio remains a key driver and will still significantly contribute to NII even beyond 2030. Carsten will elaborate on this later in the presentation. On the cost side, the broad-based deployment of AI will drive efficiency. Hence, we will reduce our cost base in Commerzbank ex mBank until 2030, despite significant growth in revenues. This comes with a group-wide FTE reduction of gross 3,000 FTEs by 2030, of which almost 50% will be reduced on a net basis. The program will come with around EUR 450 million cost to achieve. The reduction will be largely achieved by applying early retirement schemes as well as making use of natural attrition. With the transformation agreement we signed yesterday, the employee representatives generally support our continued transformation. The new targets are the next logical step in a long and successful journey of transformation. The evidence. We have consistently met or exceeded the targets we set for ourselves, from our Strategy 2024 to our Momentum goals in 2025. We deliver what we promise. The steady delivery is the foundation of our credibility and provides confidence in our ability to also achieve our new, more ambitious goals. This leads me to UniCredit's offer. After completing a comprehensive review of the offer document, the management board and supervisory board will issue their full reasoned statement, including a recommendation. Separately, we have published a presentation today highlighting selected preliminary observations on UniCredit's proposal, including the presentation of April 20. I would like to briefly draw your attention to the most significant aspects from our perspective. First, UniCredit is using misleading Credit Commerzbank to talk down our valuation. Second, UniCredit's proposition for Commerzbank shareholders is vague and bears considerable execution risk. Third, our shareholders are asked to give up the upside we just spoke about and control for no premium. Fourth, Commerzbank shareholders who remain investors who remain invested retain material upside potential and optionality. I would like to address a few points in particular. Our analysis shows that the claims and assumptions of UniCredit do not pass a reality check. We have improved profitability substantially over the last years, and we have exceeded ambitious financial targets. Within our robust and stable business model, we have a prudent risk profile with strong asset quality. We don't need additional overlays. The risks in our book are well covered. We are investing in platform and technology, and we are significantly scaling AI adoption. We are the leading bank for the German Mittelstand and have a market share of more than 10% across all products with German Corporate Clients. I think I made it very clear that our international franchise is a value-accretive, unique business proposition. Against that reality, UniCredit's assumption on cost-cutting, revenue effects, and investment requirements are not plausible in terms of scale and timing. The claimed cost efficiency potential of EUR 1.3 billion standalone for Commerzbank until 2028 is extremely aggressive and would come with significant execution risk and revenue attrition. In our view, the negative revenue impact would be significantly above EUR 1 billion, which you can derive from the revenues attached to our international franchise, leaving aside any revenue attrition due to client overlap, which would come on top. Timing would require implementing agreements and changes for thousands of employees, shutting down parts of the international network, off-boarding clients, returning licenses, and stopping large growth and transformation projects all at the same time to become effective in 2028. That is not credible in a highly regulated sector and does not reflect the operational reality of a bank. The same applies to the assumptions around RWAs and investments. The implied reductions and the implied cost to achieve do not align with what is realistically feasible without destroying revenues and client relationships. This is exactly why execution risk is so central in our assessment. In essence, the presented case lacks the necessary willingness to appreciate and reflect our business model. This is all the more puzzling given that we provided the opportunity in more than 10 meetings in the past 20 months to discuss any ideas and answer all questions regarding our business model and our financials. Only in the two meetings after the announcement of the offer, we verbally learned about the cornerstones of UniCredit's plan. It became clear that we have fundamentally different views on the business model that are hard to reconcile. We were clearly told that there was no room for any adjustment of the proposed model to reflect our core value proposition, especially when it comes to our international franchise. If you are dealing with a counterparty that tells you upfront that it will not adopt a plan to find common ground, what's the merit of doing any deep dives or workshops, in particular, if there is no preparedness to offer premium either? This leads me to valuation, as this was the second important topic in our conversations with UniCredit. No matter which metric you pick, UniCredit's offer fundamentally undervalues Commerzbank. Our standalone strategy has proven to be successful. Our tangible and credible path to increasing returns every year is well-regarded by the market. It fully justifies our valuation, and a low-ball offer without a significant premium is just inadequate. With that, I would like to share my key takeaways. First, we achieved a record Q1 result and have raised our 2026 guidance. Second, with Momentum 2030, we build on a proven strategy. We are committed to our upgraded targets, delivering reliable shareholder value with low execution risk. Let me add to this that by 2030, we will return around 50% of our current market cap to our shareholders. Third, we stay open for discussions in case there is a real willingness to discuss the issues we flagged. With a clear intention of an attractive premium for our shareholders and that takes the success factors of our business model and our Momentum strategy into account, we remain open to sit down again. To conclude, we have a very strong momentum in our business. We have the strategy, the team, and the determination to create significant value at limited execution risks. With that, I will now hand over to Carsten. Thank you, Bettina, and a warm welcome also from my side. Given the focus on strategy today and to have sufficient time for Q&A, I will keep the presentation of the Q1 numbers short and will not go through all the slides in detail. Bettina has already given you a summary of the Q1 financials. To start, there's one key point I would like to stress. We have again improved our operating leverage with higher revenues and slightly falling operating expenses. Positive jaws, the core of our Momentum strategy and our number one priority. I will now go through the line items starting with revenues. Revenues have developed very well. The highlight is the record net commission income that is up 9% year-on-year with strong contributions from all customer segments. Corporate Clients increased by 8% with the biggest driver being bond origination. Private and Small-Business Customers Germany grew by 9%, mainly with the securities business and from higher account fees. mBank increased by 12% across products. This growth is a clear testament to our client-centric strategy and our ability to successfully leverage our market position across all key areas. net interest income is broadly stable as underlying growth in PSBC Germany and Corporate Clients was offset by day count effects and rate cuts in Poland. I will now jump directly to slide 30 on the very strong loan growth in Corporate Clients. In the last 12 months, Corporate Clients achieved a remarkable loan growth of almost EUR 17 billion or 16% with EUR 5 billion stemming from the first quarter. This growth is broad-based. Year on year, we saw a EUR 2 billion increase from corporates in Germany, driven by investments and working capital needs. The public sector in Germany contributed another EUR 2 billion capital accretive business. We saw strong demand for green infrastructure financing, adding another EUR 2 billion. The largest driver was our business with German and Germany-connected corporates outside Germany. It grew by EUR 7 billion as we continue to support our clients' international activities, particularly in Europe, the U.S., and Asia. Our business with financial institutions also added EUR 3 billion, mainly from trade finance and lending. This performance underscores our strategy to grow profitably with our customer base to see attractive risk-adjusted opportunities. This brings me to our NII outlook for 2026. We raise our outlook to around EUR 8.6 billion. The main reason for this is the more favorable rates outlook compared to our assumptions in February, as well as the successful margin management of deposits in Q1. This has made us confident that the beta should increase to 41% on average for 2026, 1 percentage point less than our original assumption. We have also slightly increased the size of the replication portfolio, which will further stabilize the NII in the next years. I will give you a longer-dated outlook for the replication portfolio. As you know, the replication portfolio is a very important and very reliable contributor to our revenues with an additional benefit of EUR 600 million in 2026. This will continue for many years. Based on the current size and structure and applying the current forward rates for the scheduled rollovers, we will have additional revenues in the range from EUR 400 million-EUR 600 million every single year until 2032. This leads to cumulative EUR 1.6 billion in 2028 and EUR 2.7 billion in 2030. By 2032, this increases to EUR 3.7 billion. Even beyond 2032, EUR 200 million per year are to be expected. As you know, we have added to the size of the portfolio over the last quarters, and depending on volume growth and customer behavior, we could potentially grow the portfolio further over the years, amplifying the effect. When looking at the current average yield of the portfolio, you can clearly see where the incremental interest income is coming from. For 2026, we have an average yield of only 1.3%. The current yield level is mainly attributable to the very low yield on all tranches of the 10-year models. When reinvesting a maturing tranche at the current yield of around 3%, this leads to a strong pickup every year. The replication portfolio is therefore a very dependable revenue contributor for many years to come and a core component of our plan to sustainably increase profitability. Very briefly to costs on slide 34. We have maintained our strict cost discipline. Overall costs are slightly below Q1 last year, although we increased our investments further. Higher compulsory contributions in mBank were offset by lower operating expenses on group level. Within the group, excluding mBank, costs even decreased, supported by a lower valuation effect from equity-based compensation. The combination of strong revenue growth and disciplined cost management resulted in an excellent cost-income ratio of 53% for the quarter, or 50% when excluding compulsory contributions. The risk result came in EUR 142 million. This is in line with Q1 last year and our outlook as the portfolio remains highly resilient with a non-performing exposure ratio of only 1.1%. We have maintained our approach to overlays, and there has been no material change in the outstanding amounts. While there are headwinds from the conflict in the Middle East, we maintain our guidance of around EUR 850 million for the risk result for the year. This concludes the 8% in the quarter. For 2026, we expect a tax rate closer to 30% due to a higher tax rate in Poland. I will now jump straight to the outlook on slide 42. We expect total revenues of approximately EUR 13.2 billion. Already mentioned, we've raised our outlook for NII further to EUR 8.6 billion. For NCI, we expect EUR 4.3 billion based on 7% growth. We maintain our outlook for the risk result of around EUR 850 million. Based on costs of around EUR 7 billion, we improve our cost-income ratio target again to now approximately 53%. This translates to raised net results target of at least EUR 3.4 billion, leading to a return on tangible equity of around 12%. We confirm our plan for a payout ratio of 100% after AT1 coupon payments and expect our CET1 ratio to be above 14% at the end. After this review of our record first quarter, I will now guide you through the financials of our strategy Momentum 2030 before going into Q&A. Our planned figures are based on the current forward rates and our economists' outlook for GDP growth in Germany. We assume an uptick of GDP in 2027 and a moderate positive impact from the fiscal stimulus. If reforms should gather steam, there could be an upside, but we have prudently remained conservative. The revenue trajectory is set for a steady increase in both interest income and fee income, while we conservatively plan for only modest contributions from fair value and other income as these are hard to forecast. Total revenues are expected to increase from EUR 13.2 billion in 2026 to EUR 16.8 billion by 2030. This translates into a compound annual growth rate of 6%. Looking at the interest income in more detail, the picture is very similar to what we have seen last year and expect for 2026. The most significant driver is the predictable portfolio, which will contribute an additional EUR 2.1 billion by 2030 as we reinvest maturing assets at higher yields. On top of that, we plan for a EUR 300 million contribution from disciplined loan and deposit growth in PSBC Germany and Corporate Clients. These positive effects will comfortably outweigh the anticipated headwind of close to EUR 600 million from a steadily increasing deposit beta due to anticipated deposit competition. Expected increases in the ECB rates will add around EUR 100 million. mBank will resume its growth path and add around EUR 600 million overall. This structural predictable growth in NII is a cornerstone of our increasing profitability. Slide 47 details our strategy in the Corporate Clients segment. Crucially, the focus is on capital efficiency. Building on our already established initiatives, we will continue our strong loan growth, further leveraging the capabilities of our franchise. While growing our loan book, we will be selective and focus on RWA efficiency of the growth. This might also mean selective reductions in the existing portfolio where targets cannot be met. In addition, more contributions from relatively RWA-light areas like the bond business or trade finance are in focus, further contributing to RWA efficiency. All this will be supported by our digital product offering that is convenient for clients and frees up time that our staff can instead use for value-added sales and advisory. The sales activities are furthermore augmented by AI-based models and advanced data analytics. AI data analytics also helps to price our products competitively. Finally, we intend to further increase the use of significant risk transfers. We have broadened our issuing ability by extending SRTs to further client portfolios and asset classes. We are thereby freeing up capital to fuel further profitable growth and increase the RWA efficiency to 6.4%. In our Private and Small-Business Customers segment in Germany, the focus is clearly on growing our high margin net commission income. We will scale the securities business of comdirect and expand our relationship-driven initiatives with wealthy clients supported by AI. This will result in 7% annual growth in net commission income until 2028, keeping up with a strong expansion of interest income that is boosted by the replication portfolio. For 2029 and 2030, we prudently plan with 5%-6% growth. Let's now look at costs on slide 49. Our plan is to slightly reduce costs in the group excluding mBank. While we account for inflation, salary adjustments, and compulsory contributions these increases will be offset by significant efficiency gains. These efficiencies are driven by our ongoing transformation program and increasingly by the smart implementation of AI across our processes. In addition to the already committed restructuring, we will implement a further reduction of around 3,000 gross FTE planned to be achieved in a socially responsible manner, contributing to the efficiency gains. We have already reached a transformation agreement with our workers' representatives. Detailed agreements will be reached in due course and expenses then be booked step by step. In total, the cost to achieve for the FTE reduction is expected to be around EUR 450 million. While maintaining our strict cost discipline and increasing our efficiency, we will continue to invest. In 2026, we have allocated a EUR 600 million change the bank budget nearly EUR 50 million higher than in 2025. We maintain the level of delivery that we planned for in 2026, also in subsequent years. The cost to get this output will decrease over time as we increase efficiency. The three biggest drivers are shoring, internalization, and AI. The effects combine as we relocate activities into our shoring centers, while at the same time deploying AI to raise efficiency at these shoring locations. We expect 30% efficiency gains until 2030. Looking briefly at the risk results. Based on our high-quality loan book, we expect to maintain a cost of risk of around 25 basis points throughout the cycle. For 2026, we plan with around EUR 850 million risk result, which translates to a slightly elevated cost of risk of around 28 basis points. Moving on to risk-weighted assets. We plan with 2026 to 2028. Credit risk RWA should decline slightly as we plan to compensate higher RWA from volume growth with securitizations and improvements in the portfolio. From 2029 to 2030, we expect a net increase of credit risk RWA by around EUR 7 billion. Thereof, a substantial contribution will come from mBank. Operational risk RWA will rise in sync with our profitability. Our RWA efficiency measured as revenues over RWA will improve from 7% last year to 9% in 2030. Let me conclude with the expected trajectory of our net results and the capital return. As you can see on slide 53, our capital return plan is as clear as it is attractive. We will distribute 100% of our growing net profit until we reach our target CET1 ratio of 13.5%. We project a payout of EUR 3.2 billion in 2026, and then increasing steadily every year. This translates into an attractive total yield starting from 7% in 2025 and reaching double digits latest in 2028. We will deliver this through a combination of steadily increasing dividends and a substantial share buybacks, returning around 50% of our current market cap by 2030. With that, I conclude the financial presentation. Thank you for your attention. Bettina and I are now looking forward to your questions. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star nine and pound key on your telephone. If you would like to cancel your question, press star three and pound key. The first question comes from Benjamin Goy from Deutsche Bank. The stage is yours. Yes. Hi, good morning. Couple of questions, please. The first is on your net interest income bridge. Just trying to understand why the contribution from volume growth is relatively low, in particular, considering the growth rates you have shown over the last quarters and years. Secondly, on the new cost program, the 3,000 FTEs, will the positive impact be mainly 2029 and 2030 or already some benefits before that? Lastly, just quickly on the RoTE definition, why you have adjusted it? Thank you. RoTE definition, I think we have not adjusted. It's just the same. On the cost program, it will come in 2029 and 2030. You should not forget that we have the momentum, the reduction, that comes into play first and the 3,000 other ones, which are meant for 2029, 2030. For the NII, which I hand over to Carsten. Yep. Hi, Benjamin, on the NII bridge and your question there, the increase from loan and deposit volumes, if we're looking, for example, towards 2028, is actually based on the on the growth of our underlying portfolios. Not to be too detailed on this, but if we consider PSBC being largely stable and Corporate Clients growing at around 8%, this gives you sort of a volume uptick, which taken with our average margin, then needs to be reduced a bit by the SRTs that we are conducting. Considering also that we are optimizing the portfolio and reduce a few low-yielding RWA assets, you are actually ending up with an amount that's added to the revenue uplift from deposits actually ends up with EUR 200 million-EUR 300 million to 2028. In a similar fashion, beyond 2028, as we are being prudent with the growth towards 2030, declines a bit. The rest you see in the uptick coming from the replication portfolio. Thank you. Thank you very much. The next questioner is Tarik El Mejjad from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hi. Hi, good morning. Just a follow-up on on the NII and loan growth. Can you share with us what's the expectation for loan growth and more the timing between now and 2028 and then 2028 and 2030, and how much of the potential fiscal stimulus you've embedded in your numbers? On costs, I mean, I hear you about preserving revenues and being realistic about taking out costs, but don't you think you can actually would have pushed the boat a bit further and do more? Or you suggest that there is actually it's very conservative and you probably could beat that. Lastly, just on the SRTs, can you update us on how much has been done of the EUR 13 billion of the Momentum plan? I see you have EUR 5 billion of securitization. From 2028, and in 2028, is that on top or what remain to be done from the previous package? Thank you. Tarik, let me go through the questions one by one. First of all, your question on the loan growth. Until 2028 we continue with the expected loan growth in terms of volume of around 8% per year, and then trail off a bit after that. Regarding the fiscal stimulus that you mentioned, we have included the current expectation of our chief economist, which also means that for this year we will see rather ample GDP growth of 0.6%. For next year, we will see the GDP growth in Germany recovering to 1.2%, and that is also fueled by fiscal stimulus. Clearly, we are hoping and expecting for more of an impact to come later on. On the cost side, fully understood that you are seeing us to be able to do a bit more. Let me also point you at the fact that on group level, excluding mBank, we will actually decline in our operational cost base over the next years with all the efficiency measures, therefore, countering all of the usual up drift in terms of inflation, compulsory contribution, et cetera. The investments in mBank clearly are linked towards the announced strategy and their business growth plan that they are having, also with their low cost income ratio, adding clearly to the KPIs of the group. Lastly on SRTs, out of the EUR 13 billion that we have announced with the Momentum 2030 strategy beginning of last year, we did transact around EUR 4 billion of RWA relief in last year. Expect this year to be in the region of EUR 4 billion- EUR 5 billion as well in terms of execution, distributed across the quarters. Likely another EUR 4 billion to come in 2028. We will add another EUR 3 billion, not EUR 5 billion, from 2028 to 2030, mostly to also start replenishing the maturing previous tranches in SRTs. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Jeremy Sigee from BNP Paribas. Morning. Thanks very much. One detailed question and one bigger picture question, please. The first one on the NII improvement this year. Very short-term, you know, you're aiming to, you've upgraded the guidance for the full-year. Is that a linear progression from where we are today? You were flat in 1Q, quarter-on-quarter. Do we start to see NII picking up already in 2Q and then building through the year, or is it more back-end loaded? Just the timing as we go through this year, please. My second question, it's very useful and interesting that you picked up on the international activities because that does seem to be a point of contention with UniCredit. Your previous business plan back in 2022 talked about refocusing your international activities to purely focus on German clients and their overseas needs. Where are we in that process? I mean, how much of your international activities are linked to German clients, or are there still significant bits of business that are done for local or other international clients in that international network? Thank you, Jeremy. On the first one, it is indeed NII will increase quarter by quarter. You can see already in Q2, we expect higher NII. It's very much linked to the increase also of the replication portfolio, which we have done in the past quarters. When it comes to the international activity, we did indeed decided in 2020, back in 2020 to streamline our international network, and we closed a number of branches, sold, for example, also Hungary to Erste Bank and did some more steps. We also significantly reduced the business which has no connectivity to Germany, Austria or Switzerland, maximum extent. You see that also on the numbers of page nine, where you see what are the revenues stemming or which are linked to the international business, which is 37%. You also see on the left-hand side that there's very, very few revenues linked to clients who do not have a DACH connectivity. It's basically only the ones, EUR 100 million approximately, which are linked to selected future-oriented sectors like TMT and others. It's a very, very low number. That's brilliant. Thanks very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Chris Hallam from Goldman Sachs. Good. Good morning, everybody. Just two from my side. Maybe a bit of a long-dated question, but just on distribution, how are you thinking about the right payout ratio in 2029 and 2030? If I look at the RWA growth you've given us helpfully on slide 52, I think you're need to be increasing CET1 in 2029 and 2030 to stay at or above 13.5%. You said you'll stay at a 100% payout until you get to 13.5%. Can we assume that after that point you'll distribute any excess above 13.5%, i.e.? You'll just pull back the payout ratio slightly to say 80% + in 2029 and 2030. Secondly, on efficiency, maybe I missed it in the comments, but just any comments on the timing of the gross reduction, the 3,000 and the 450, the phasing of that. A few of your peers have commented on AI enabling them to use attrition to work down headcount. I guess we can see that in the 50% net reduction of the 3,000 FTEs. Is there any scope for that 50% replacement to move lower, i.e., like a higher net reduction if AI improvements in workflows become a bit more tangible? Is that 3,000 gross reduction basically contingent on a 50% rehiring commitment, maybe? Thank you. On distribution, you're right and Tarik's right. You can assume that our distribution will be something shortly above 90% in 2029 and 2030. And when it comes to efficiency, I mean, natural attrition is one of the key levers which we use for both programs. For the first program coming from Momentum, which we are in the moment implementing as we speak, and then the additional 3,000, which we assume will happen in the years 2029 and 2030. And natural attrition is one mean which we use. We will also use reskilling, which means that we will try to basically redirect people on other jobs and upskill them. We have a demographic situation where we can use a lot of age instruments, we're very socially responsible to do the headcount reduction. It's however clear that, I mean, we see such a speed in the AI technology and the development that we will definitely review the situation basically year by year, quarter by quarter, because we have already seen within a year, and that's also one of the reasons for the update, that so many things have happened that have changed our attitude to certain things, and that I assume will continue also in the next quarters. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Riccardo Rovere from Mediobanca. Thanks. Thanks, thanks a lot for taking my questions. Two or three, if I may. The first one, I've just seen some headlines from Bloomberg. They say that if I understand it correctly, we have agreed already with trade unions around job cuts. I just wanted to have a confirmation around that. This is the first question. The second question I have is for Carsten, I guess. How can you have deposit beta again going up in your bridging NII, ECB rates adding EUR 100 million, deposit beta taking out EUR 200 million, if I'm not mistaken. How can this be possible? I mean your NII when rates went up, NII went up. The deposit beta is 40%, 45%, 50%, whatever it is. It's not 100%. How can be EUR 200 million versus EUR 100 million? That's not clear to me. The second question the last very question I have is, your target net profit for 2028 is EUR 4.6 billion, which is not too far away from the consensus you have uploaded on your website. The question here is there any kind of prudence in the EUR 4.6 billion target for 2028? If there is, what's the point of being prudent at this stage? Thank you. Riccardo. On your first question, yes, we signed a transformation agreement with Workers' Council yesterday, where we agreed also already on what type of social plan we will apply. It is as always, there will be subsequent negotiations about the details, where exactly the reduction will happen. Overall, we have an alignment and the support, and that's very important, the support of our colleagues from the Workers' Council. On the second point, you know, we are conservative people, when it comes to the deposit better, we just take into account that there is a lot of deposit competition ongoing, and therefore, we are staying cautious on that. That's clearly also some upside, and Carsten will probably reflect on that in a minute even more. Then on the last point, on the EUR 4.6 billion, first of all, I mean, you see it also in the difference in the consensus. The consensus has a 15%, we have a 17%. One reason for that is that we clearly have a little bit higher net income, that's rounding. Consensus comes from the lower end, and we come from the upper end of the EUR 4.6 billion because we have indeed a much higher operating results in our calculations. That is one reason why we end up with a 17% +, capital is a little bit lower in our calculation, given that we took into account already the EUR 450 million restructuring costs. Also, we never assume any costs, capital allocation during the year. That are the key reasons. I mean, there's upside as always, but you also know us that we will only put something out where we now from this perspective think that this is achievable, that we can deliver what we promise. I think it has been a good strategy, and it's also a good strategy for the future. Yeah. Riccardo, adding to what Bettina already said on beta, which is basically the ongoing positioning that we're having. We're cautious beta. You cited explicitly the bridge that we're having. We currently have a - 100 for the full-year in it. Please bear in mind that this is always the movement from last year's NII, so it's a delta view towards end of this year's NII. Last year we had an average beta of 40%. We are now calculating with around 41%. That used to be 42% beginning of the year. We're now coming down within the year, but we're still having a slight increase in beta expectation from last year to this year. That is basically why we have a slight decline in this. Why are we now more optimistic? A, it is our deposit management and the margin management that we're seeing, and we also had runoffs of high beta tranches on the personal customer side. That in essence is moving our view on this end. Towards 2028 and 2030, as you know us, we do yield the market and the competition landscape, and hence expect a slightly increasing during years. Okay. Okay, Carsten. Thank you very much. Thanks. Thank you very much. The next question comes from Flora Bocahut from Barclays. The floor is yours. Yeah, thank you for taking my question. Good morning. I have two, one on NII, one on risk-weighted assets. On the NII, obviously a lot of, if not all of the NII increase to 2030 is coming from the replication portfolio. Given I think you're considering volume growth would be largely offset by the deposit competition. Can we just talk about the potential risk if, you know, the rate curve would move in there? Looking at the slide 33 where you show the detailed evolution of the replication portfolio, I can see that only 15% is invested in two years or less. I can see that 55% is invested in 10 years or more. Would it be fair to say that even if the rate curve would move versus your expectations, it wouldn't lead to a significant deviation for your replicating portfolio contribution towards 2030? The question on RWA. I'm just trying to understand how aggressive or not the securitization targets that you present are. Can you just give us maybe something like how much of your RWA relief you already have today in euro billion from securitization, or how much of your CET1 ratio relief in basis points from securitization? That would be helpful. Just on the portfolio management, what do you mean there? Thank you. All right. Let me start with the NII. I think your interpretation of the NII and the functioning, the mechanics of the portfolio are absolutely correct. The portfolio is a long-standing portfolio, and we have different tranches in it. The split is exactly on page 33, and you can expect that with every monthly roll in the portfolio, we adjust to the current yield curve. For the long-standing tranches, that means we have a relatively high pickup every single month, if we're rolling, especially coming from the older tranches that come out of the negative or low interest rate environment. That also means that if the yield curve changes, clearly the whole portfolio is moving very slowly. To put it differently, it also, you can see that on that page, takes us quite some time to bring the current average yield of 1.23% up to market level. To the upside, it's also dampening, but the positive is if there's a change in the yield environment, this is also gonna be dampening and stabilizing. We have a really reliable and structurally sound contribution over the next years, as you can see. Secondly, on the RWA and the SRTs, on that, as per end of last year, we had a total relief in the group of around EUR 9 billion in RWA. EUR 2 billion coming from mBank, EUR 7 billion coming from Commerzbank AG. Together with the relief that I've cited earlier, in Chris' question, I think that was, we will see another EUR 4 billion-EUR 5 billion this year and another EUR 4 billion next year. mBank is gonna be relatively stable, and then we're mostly working against roll-offs in the following years. Okay. You hadn't- Sorry. You had another question on. Yeah. Yeah. You had Sorry. Yes. Question on portfolio optimization. In terms of portfolio optimization, what we're looking at, when growing our business, clearly we're also constantly reviewing our portfolio in terms of efficiency of the underlying business. When we're talking optimization, we're mostly looking into also exiting engagements where we have a lower efficiency business that including connected business that we can actually achieve with it. That's the major part of the portfolio optimization. It's business-oriented much more than model-oriented. Thank you. Can I just follow up on the, on the question on the SRT contribution? Basically, what was the stock of SRTs you already had before, you know, the contribution that you described on this call? Was it a zero, or did you already have some contribution from that? We did indeed actually already have contributions. SRTs are means that we've been using for years. I think we had around five or six transactions ongoing already before we started with Momentum beginning of last year. We had around EUR 3.5 billion, if I'm right in remembering this, from relief already before we started into Momentum. We started picking up the pace a bit. As we see this in light of the overall portfolio, we think we have a prudently small amount that we're looking at. What's important to mention, we use SRTs exclusively to also free up capacity that we're having in order to redeploy these resources. We started with that before, and have now pretty much doubled it since start of Momentum. Okay. That's clear. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Borja Ramirez from Citigroup. Hello. Good morning. Thank you very much for your time and for taking my questions. I have two. Firstly, I would like to ask a high level on the strategy. I saw that you showed a very strong growth Corporate Clients loans. I think it's +1 6% year-over-year. I would like to ask, how do you prioritize organic market share growth? Maybe could you consider any bolt-on M&A? I think you still have a bit of excess capital by 2028 above the 3.5%. Maybe that could be an option. Then my second question would be on the deposit growth. I see you have a conservative assumption on deposit beta, 44% in 2028 and higher in 2030. I would like to ask how do you see the growth in the deposit volumes going forward? Also if you could provide some color on the overall market dynamics in the German deposit market, please. On the, I mean, the corporate loan growth is clearly part, a crucial part of our Momentum 2030 strategy when it comes specifically to Corporate Clients. I mean, the growth on a year-on-year basis was 16%. If you compare a quarter-on-quarter basis, it's still 5%, which is also very important. What we expect for the coming quarters is probably a little bit of shift again towards Germany. Given that our expectation is that investments in Germany will start as hopefully also the reform exercises of the government will progress. We have, as you rightfully say, we have enough space for growth, and we are absolutely determined to use it. However, it must be RWA efficient growth. That is one of the requirements which we have. When it comes to the deposit growth, it's conservative assumption, so it's just a 2% growth which is very much in line with the market. All right. Thank you very much. The next question comes from Anke Reingen from RBC. Yeah, good morning, thank you for taking my questions. I just wanted to ask about the cost slide, 49, your confidence about delivering this absolute cost level. I think the inflation salary adjustments in the past probably was an area that provided some volatility versus guidance, I think this is like maybe like 1.4%, although I think your embedded inflation in the plan is more like 2%. If inflation comes in higher, I think in the past, you had higher costs from employee plans. Should we have the confidence that you'll be able to offset those headwinds with additional efficiency gains? Just a question on Q1 in terms of the corporate bank. I understand that Q1 on Q4 NII was obviously very strong. If we think about the Q1 level, is this like a run rate you expect to jump off on and should it be improving? Or is it more given the uncertain economic environment? Would you think that's something that sees some year come headwinds? Thank you very much. Anke, thank you very much for your question. Our confidence is very high. If we can do something, we can manage cost. We took into account clearly the inflationary effects both in Germany, but also in our locations abroad. It's also very clear if you see if you see differences, we will manage against that. High confidence in delivery on that. You have seen it also in the past. I mean, the only thing what we can't really control and which is a good thing is if our share price is increasing further, our variable long-term compensation will increase. That is something, which is hard to predict, but that I think is a good signal because it just means that we are over-delivering also, on all our other targets. When it comes to Q1 and NII for the corporate bank, yes, you can also it's a structural increase which you can assume, and that is also true for Corporate Clients. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Stefan Stalmann from Autonomous Research. Good morning. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I have one numbers question and one big picture question. On, on the numbers, and I apologize if I missed that already. The EUR 450 million cost to achieve, are you planning to spend that in 2029 and/or 2030, or could it already happen earlier than that? The big picture question, you mentioned earlier that the 12.7% RoTE in the first quarter was excellent, and I think that's true. You almost plan to double that return to 21% in coming years. You assume that basically most, if not all of your AI efficiency gains are flowing to the bottom line. The only competitive impact that you explicitly allow for is on the deposit beta. It looks like you are assuming that neither your clients nor your competitors are reacting in any way to the efficiency gains that they will probably also achieve from AI. I guess the question is: How do you think about the competitive threat to your medium-term targets given these aspects? Yeah. Thank you, Stefan. First on restructuring costs, I mean, it very much depend on the speed and progress and how we do the negotiations with the Workers' Council. In the moment, there might be assumption that it could happen in 2027, but it might be also that it's spread across years. That we're very much dependent on the negotiation. When it comes to your second question and the RoTE and how do we get from 12.7% first quarter to the 2028 and to 2030 numbers. First of all, I think it's very important to say that this is not hockey stick, and we have a miracle happening in the last year, but it's a step-wise year-on-year improvement which we assume. It's broad-based. It's on the one side, it's clearly revenues and we basically see growth in our net commission income, and that is true for mBank, it's true for Corporate Clients and Private Clients. We see a lot of upside here. I talked about the wealth management business as one example, but it's same when it comes to our brokerage business, when it comes to capital markets business, and so on. We have not assumed that competition will lighten. We did not assume any improvement of margins, not at all. Well, the contrary, when you think about the deposit better. On the NII side, I think it's pretty clear that, given what we have done with the replication portfolio, we just see a year-on-year improvement on the NII coupled with the growth rates which we expect specifically on the corporate side. If you just think about the investment programs all necessary in Europe, I mean, we have so many reports about it, be it the Draghi report or others. We also see what is needed, for example, in Germany. We think that there is a lot of growth in the system, and we intend to participate in that despite all the competition we are fully aware of. This is coupled with lots of cost discipline. AI will help us. It will help us on the customer experience side, it will help us on the revenue side, but more importantly, it will help us on the operational excellence side. We see it already today with all the use cases which we have in place that it's freeing up capacity. It's freeing up capacity for doing even more client meetings, but it's also freeing up capacity in the back office function to organize the growth. One of the assumptions is also that we have more growth, more business, more clients to serve, but still we can do that with a very similar amount of people. Therefore, we think it's a very viable way and a very reliable path. It's aspirational but absolutely achievable. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question comes from Tobias Lukesch from Kepler Cheuvreux. Yes. Good morning. Also three questions on my side. One on the SRTs, one on the RoTE drivers, and one on the efficiency gains again. On the SRTs, Carsten, I think, we talked about that over the last quarters. Could you remind me if you say 16.5% in RWA benefits against then the potential 210 basis points that makes 7.5%-8%. Again, with the developments, where would you see a potential threshold in terms of, or ceiling in terms of, RWA gains from these SRTs? Is it 10%? Is it a 15% or 20%? Secondly, on the RoTE drivers, page 16, I was wondering what the 1 percentage point other slash capital means. If I look at the RWA growth and understand that it might be from the RWA growth, it would explain let's say 50%-60% of that. That would be interesting. Secondly, thirdly, on the efficiency gains on page 49, the EUR 0.5 billion between 2026-2028 and the additional EUR 3.3 billion of 2028 to 2030. Could you maybe put a bit more flesh on the bone here where this is coming from, how we could expect that? Thank you. Thanks, Tobias. Let's start with the SRTs. The question which level we're comfortable with and how far we could go sort of further RWA relief, I would answer with we're probably fine and comfortable with the level that we're at at the moment. We think we can extend that a bit further, there's two aspects playing into this. One is the absolute amount that we are having, I think there could be a bit more room above what we're having. We're also keeping a clear eye on the rollover of maturing tranches. We are looking into the full sort of maturity range over the next years, which is also why we said we're going to extend other the SRT issuance beyond 2028, but to a slightly lower degree than what you see today in order to replenish what is becoming maturing at that point. Current level, we're very comfortable with slight room to grow beyond that. You asked on the on the RoTE and the 1% in the bridge towards the longer end. I mean, first of all, we are now looking into a few extra charges that we will be seeing by restructuring expenses, which also means that we might be returning more than the 100% level technically, given that we are excluding this, according to our capital return policy. That in turn would mean that we are actually having slightly lower RoTE on that end. Last point on the efficiency gains, in the bridge again, in the corporate loan portfolio and the portfolio overall. When we're talking about efficiency gains, I mean, there's always two ways to look at this. One is efficiencies in the RWA by model adjustments. This is what we're doing only sort of on a prudent level according to the general updates of the models also in full accordance with what the regulator discusses with us. Most importantly, we are constantly looking into optimizing the portfolio when it comes flushing out, let's say, lower yielding and lower efficient business and exchanging that with higher yielding business. I think this is the questions that you had. Yeah. Carsten, if I may, on the efficiency question, it was a bit more on the bridge on page 49, on the cost bridge, how these EUR 0.5 billion and EUR 0.3 billion efficiencies are being reached. This is a combination of shoring on efforts. It's headcount and therefore headcount reduction. It's about the reduction in external costs, specifically on the IT side, and that's very much driven also by AI and the replacement of, take for example, external software developers in the application environment and things like that. So multiple levers, and specifically on the external side, we expect already some steps pretty early. Take, for example, our call center capabilities. We have a lot of call center, external call center capacities, and through the introduction of Agent Assist last year, we expect quite some impact short term at this end. Let me just add on the 1%, I think one point Carsten didn't mention, and that is prudence. We really wanted to make sure that we have a reliable RoTE target out there. There's also some prudent assumptions which are embedded in the 1%. Well understood. Thank you. Thank you very much. The last questioner for today is once again, Riccardo Rovere from Mediobanca. Thanks for taking my quick follow-up. When it comes to the common equity tier one target, the 13.5% in the previous strategy was supposed to be achieved in 2028. Now I see that that has been moved to 2030. For 2028, now you set a 13.7%, if I'm not mistaken. I was just wondering what is the reason why the 13.5% has been moved by further two years? What is the reason of having 14.5% or whatever the number is, you know, throughout such a long period of time? It's like saying the 13.5%, again, has been moved by a couple of years. Just wondering why. Thanks. Riccardo, great question. First of all, on the target of 13.5%, we just simply do not have another number yet. It is clear that there could be a rightful expectation that with this increasing profitability, our MDA might come down. For the time being, we just plan with our actual MDA, and therefore I think it's prudent to also assume that for the timeframe. I would also share the view that at a certain point in time, that could come down, given the strong profitability we are currently showing and will show in the future. When it comes to 2028, yes, I mean, it has also to do with our increasing profitability and the fact that we have restricted that to the 100% payout before extra ordinaries. We will see it's a dialogue which we have to have with our regulator and before we haven't had the dialogue, we stay very much to our capital return policy which we have put into an interaction. Bettina, sorry, if I understand it correctly, it's like saying that your profit is kind of EUR 400 million higher in respect of the previous targets. That should be paid out completely by your RWA maybe, and I haven't checked, I admit it. Maybe with the SRTs will be a bit lower than initially foreseen in the previous capital markets day. Is that, is that the case why the 13.5% goes to 13.7%? Yeah. It's just I mean, it's an equation out of many things, including also RWA growth expectations and stuff like that. With the increased profitability, the capital generation on the one side, but also the RWA development and our RWA efficient growth, that's basically what's happening. I can assure you, we understand the expectation from the market. I think if you just sum it up, what we have returned already, but what we will also return in the coming years, I think it's a good story. Thank you. Thanks, Bettina. Thanks. Thank you so much. We'll receive the one final question which will conclude the Q&A session from Tarik El Mejjad from Bank of America. Yes, hi. Just a last question, please. Now you presented your plan and your vision for the bank by 2030. You answered to UniCredit's comments and statements. You mentioned that you stay open for discussions and you publish your reasoning statement in due course. I just want to understand if you are now in a mindset of, let's extract maximum value, the trade will happen because it's up to shareholders, but your job is to extract the maximum value, or you are more in the camp of we still have a chance to stay independent, and in this case, what tools you can actually bring beyond the tools you presented today. Thank you. Thank you, Tarik. I mean, first of all, our job is to present a strategy and to present alternatives for our shareholder. I think you have seen that we are very convinced of our Momentum 2030 strategy, which produces very good results for our shareholders. It is at the very end, the decision of our shareholders to decide what they want to do. Our job is to first of all, keep the business model stable to create value for our shareholders, but also for our clients, and to move forward and to not let us or our staff get distracted by anything. It's also very clear, and we said that we always stay open for discussions with UniCredit. We, however, have two key requests, and one is that one should take into account the strengths of our business model and of our franchise. And second is that there's no sense that our shareholders give up their shares of Commerzbank and the upside attached to it without a premium. That are the two things. Besides that, we are always willing to sit down again. Thank you. Thank you very much. That concludes the Q&A. So- I'm sorry. Yes. yeah. I wanted to hand over to conclude all of, yes. Okay. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much for your attention. We are delighted to ask or to answer any questions after this call. Again, our investor relations teams is ready for you and otherwise, I wish you a beautiful weekend later on. Thank you.