Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Exide Industries Q4 FY 2026 earnings conference call hosted by Investec Capital Services. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Aditya Jhawar from Investec Capital Services. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Yeah. Thank you. Good afternoon to you all. From Exide Industries, we have with us our MD and CEO, Mr. Avik Roy, Director Finance and CFO, Mr. Manoj Kumar Agarwal, Mr. Pravin Saraf, MD and CEO of Exide Energy Solutions, President, Legal and Corporate Affairs and Company Secretary, Mr. Jitendra Kumar, and Mr. Prashant Saraswat, Head of Investor Relations. Before we proceed, there is a disclaimer for the call. Few statements made by the company's management in the call may be forward-looking in nature, and we request you to refer to the disclaimer and earnings presentation for further details. We will start the call with a brief opening remark from the management and followed by Q&A session. I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Avik Roy for opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Thank you, Aditya. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and a warm welcome to you all to the Exide earnings call. Before taking you through the key highlights of our performance, I would like to talk about some of the macro and industry drivers that shaped our operating environment in the last quarter. Globally, the West Asia conflict continues to be an ongoing threat. With regard to availability and pricing of commodities such as LPG, sulfuric acid, and plastics, the situation is quite alarming. Rapidly increasing commodity rates coupled with rupee depreciation continue to pressurize our input costs. In contrast, the Indian demand situation remained favorable. Low inflation rates, low interest rates, and the consequence of GST 2.0 reforms increased end consumers' affordability, especially in the second half of FY 2026. Rural India experienced strong broad-based revival as well, driven by rising income, upbeat sentiment, and infrastructure development. Coming to the company's performance during quarter four, nearly 92% of the business has grown by about 16%, and that basically includes our entire domestic business minus telecom. All key verticals grew double digits, headlined by two-wheeler and four-wheeler OEM, then home UPS, solar, two-wheeler and four-wheeler replacement market, as well as industrial infrastructure business, excluding telecom. Remaining 80% of the business witnessed a strong decline in revenues, exports being one of them, which was subdued by the given geopolitical situation, and telecom and the e-rickshaw continues to shift towards lithium-ion technology. This translated to about 9.4% year-on-year overall revenue growth. In quarter four, we generated our highest ever quarterly revenue. Domestic business sales grew by 12.5% year-on-year. For the full year FY 2026, the company has delivered 4.1% year-on-year revenue growth. Again, nearly 92% of the business grew by double digits. The domestic business sales business grew by about 7.5% year-on-year for the full year. In quarter four, the company continued to ramp up production leading to higher capacity utilization, better absorption of fixed costs, and positive impact on the bottom line. The company was also able to maintain, on a sequential quarter basis, the EBITDA margin of 11.7%, buoyed by strong volume growth, improved product mix, and better realization, which was also helped a lot by lowering our warranty costs and benefits accruing out of our manufacturing excellence projects. All the above efforts resulted in expanding the EBITDA margin year-on-year by nearly 50 basis points. The GST 2.0 led demand surge continued in Q4 as auto OEM business recorded its second consecutive quarter of 25%+ year-on-year growth, also hitting its highest ever quarterly revenue, breaking the mark set in Q3. Home UPS business recorded its highest ever Q4 sales, uplifted by the little early onset of summer. Solar vertical returned to double-digit growth, and I'm happy to inform you that we incubated and nurtured this solar vertical for the last few years, and to this year, they have crossed the INR 1,000 crore mark for the full year. Two-wheeler and four-wheeler replacement demand remained robust as it continued in its mid-teens growth rates as in the past quarters. Industrial infrastructure, excluding telecom, continued its strong performance, maintaining double-digit year-on-year growth. Order inflow and execution remained healthy across sectors like railways, motive power, and industrial UPS. Geopolitical tensions continue to impact exports business. We expect these uncertainties to remain for at least in the first half of this current year. We have been briefing you for the last couple of years on our new One Exide operating model, so a few comments on that. The company transformed from a strategic business unit-led model to a One Exide operating model in FY 2025. This was intended to recalibrate our go-to market approach across business verticals. During the last year, FY 2026, this operating model has enabled the company to be more agile and customer-focused while bringing synergies across the organization, reflecting in the overall company performance. As we enter the next fiscal years, the outlook for the lead-acid business remains positive across most business vertical. We remain cautiously optimistic and will constantly watch and monitor the domestic demand situation in view of the expected inflationary economy, if at all. The company remains focused on tight cost control despite the global headwinds. I believe that Exide, with its advanced product portfolio, pan-India distribution network, and a strong brand recall, will continue to benefit from growth opportunities. I will move on to our lithium-ion cell manufacturing project, where we have invested INR 600 crore in quarter four and about INR 1,500 crore in FY 2026 in the full year. With this, the total equity investment made in Exide Energy, our subsidiary, till date stands at INR 4,802 crore. Our cylindrical lines are expected to start customer sample delivery by around this month onwards, while the prismatic line will be initiating product trials shortly thereafter. Meanwhile, the company continues to engage with various OEMs of two-wheeler, three-wheeler, and four-wheeler and stationary energy providers to build the offtake across key end consumer markets. With this, I close my opening remarks. We will now be happy to take your questions going forward. Thank you very much. We will now begin with the question-and-answer session. Participants, you are requested to use answers while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue settles. We will take the first question from the line of Binay Singh from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Hi, team. Thanks for the opportunity. In the opening remark, we talked about, you know, 8% of the business declining, which is telecom and exports. Fair to say that exports will be around 5% of top line and telecom around 3%. Will that be the breakup? Yes, Binay, you are right in the ballpark. You know, which leads me to my next question. This 3%, 3% would also include the bit of e-rickshaw business. Okay. That brings me to my next question. You know, when you look at next year on this core business, exports will have volatility for the first half but will recover. We should be actually quite set for a much better top-line growth than this year, next year, right? Because I would like to believe the positive side is, Binay, the baseline is now low for these businesses because we have declined. Next year we have a strategy in place, given if the, you know, global geopolitical tensions ease out a little bit. I see a substantial upside for the exports because our main export markets are also in Western Europe and U.S., where we were targeting as a strategy. Exports was already 8% of our revenue a couple of years back, so we came down to 5%. I think there is a good chance to increase our share of exports, and therefore the incremental revenue. The overall top-line growth also next year should improve from this year, right? All the other businesses commentary. Yes, yes. That you gave was quite strong. Yes. Yes. Yes. The exits have been quite strong. Q3, Q4 has been quite strong. I personally believe that, and we as you will recall, we were little pulled down because of the Q2 wash-out when this GST announcement was made in the month of mid-August, and it was effective from 22nd September, if you recall. That one-and-a-half, two months, we almost had a wash-out because there was no offtake from our distribution network. Other than Q2, I think all three quarters we have been doing well and also riding on the demand wave. I would still believe that the core business at this situation has a potential to do at least a high single digit to double digit growth. Today, we are domestic, we are, even despite the telecom decline, domestic we are 12.5% in the quarter. I would like to believe that high single- to double-digit growth for the overall core business is possible. Sir, secondly, on the new energy business, I think in the press release we had added that for cylindrical, the trial runs have started. Prismatic will be a few quarters down the line. To that extent, is prismatic also for this year only? Yes. Yes, yes. Prismatic is the LFP line, this is also scheduled for this year. The difference between a cylindrical line and a prismatic would be that, you know, the start of revenue will be quicker in LFP because that product will not go through so much of validation and customer homologation like the two-wheeler batteries in cylindrical. Though the production of cylindrical will start first, but possibly the revenue stream will come first from the prismatic lines. Yeah. Sir, could you talk a little bit about the industrial side of the opportunity? globally what we've seen that that opportunity pie has surprised on the positive side, and margins are also actually better. when you talk about when you think about data center, ESS, in your view, the 6 GW capacity allocation, what could be industrial share in that? How is the reception of clients on the industrial side? See, you know, we have two lines of LFP about LFP prismatic, which is meant for industrial stationary storage applications. I mean, the designs, you know, every cell what we are going to manufacture will have multiple use cases. It could be both automotive as well as stationary. Right. The form factor is prismatic in any case. We are the cell formats which we are will be producing in line 3 and line 4, the prismatic lines, will also cater to the stationary storage use cases. You have heard, I have made in the opening commentary, that the telecom is shifting towards lithium ion. E-rickshaw is shifting towards lithium ion, and there are some other use cases shifting towards lithium ion. Now, in many cases, we are already present with our pack business. Only thing that we are doing it through imported cells. We will just switch over to our own made in India cells. That's the plan. Sir, just lastly on the commodity. Sorry to interrupt in between. I'll come back in a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Binay. Thanks. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Krupashankar NJ from Avendus Spark. Please go ahead. Good afternoon, and thank you for the opportunity. My first question will be on the commodity cost. Just wanted to get a sense around the extent of impact, what we have seen in fourth quarter, and what sort of escalation is anticipated in the first quarter of FY 2027, considering the initial comments. Continuation to the question is that, what would be the extent of price hikes taken in the aftermarket, and the expectation on further price hikes going ahead. Thank you. Thank you for the question. The 1st question on the commodity situation. Our impact on material cost for Q4 was roughly net-net impact was INR 150 crore, I would say, a negative impact. It has come down by about the gross margin, if you see, has come down by about 90 basis points. Though we have been able to maintain our able to improve our EBITDA, but even if you see quarter-on-quarter movement, the gross margin has come down from, let's say it was in Q3, it was 31.6%, and in Q4, in the last quarter, it was 30.1%. Despite that, we have been able to maintain our EBITDA sequentially at 11.7% because of our tight controls on the other cost elements. We have been very successful in controlling our factory costs as a percentage of sale, employee cost. You will see that. Best part is we could able to reduce the warranty cost as a percentage of sale. Mostly these three elements have offsetted the increase in the commodity cost. Therefore, we could offset the drop in gross margin through our internal controls. As far as price hike is concerned, we have started, I think I have mentioned this in the past, that in Q3 we did not take a price rise consciously because GST, the revised GST rates were announced, and we thought we will pass on the entire benefit to the end consumer. From January onwards, we could not sustain the cost inflation of material. Therefore, we started taking price increases stage by stage. January, first January, first March, twentieth March, I think in three tranches we have taken increases, which maybe amounts to about, let's say, about 5%, 5%-6%, you know, varies on the segment. Across all segments in the trade, in the aftermarket, we have taken corrections. Even on first of April, we announced the last round. In April also, we took another round of correction. We have been trying to, you know, pass on as much as possible of our commodity inflation, and that has also resulted in our resilience in quarter four margins. Got it, sir. What was the. Have I left anything? Nothing, sir. I think one follow-up is that what was the quantum of price hike taken in, on April 1st as well? Can you, if you can share that? It was around 3%. All right. Do you anticipate further hikes coming in, given that the commodity inflation has been quite sharp? Just wondering, you know, given the competitive dynamics, do you see further price hikes coming in to pass through this inflation? See, I mean, right now it is difficult to comment, but the leading indicators, if you see the April exit prices of commodity. Right. It is far more than March exit. Whether you call, whether it's tin, whether it's, the sulfur, sulfuric acid, we are very, very badly hit. The March exit was INR 58 per kg, and April exit is already INR 74. Just imagine one year back, it used to be only INR 15 per kg. INR 15- INR 74, INR 75 is 5x. Obviously, we will be watching it and going forward, we will have to take the price hikes. We have no other option. Got it. With respect to OEM contracts, the escalation comes in with a lag. What would be the time period of that lag? What will be covered? Is it only the lead-acid piece which will be covered, right? The other aspects are Are you negotiating with them to pass this on? Yes. Yes, you're right. The good news is that last year also, when we were going through this huge inflation, you know, non-lead inflation, I would say. Yeah. Non-lead inflation on commodities. We have been able to, you know, make our customers, OEMs agree to a certain amount of price increases. We have been successful. We have given them evidences that how we are suffering, and some of them has been extremely logical, and they gave us price correction last year. That helped us in the full year performance as well as the quarter four performance of auto OEM also. Having said that, we have again approached them, everybody knows this, it's not surprise that the way the commodities are growing, particularly the commodities which are essential for batteries, acids, plastics, LPG and, of course, currency hitting the lead prices. I think we are constantly in touch with the major OEMs. Some of them agreed, and some of them, the negotiations are on. The lead time is typically two months to three months. Is that the right metric? I'll rather say it's a quarter. Sure. Understood. That's it from my side. Thank you for answering my questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Siddhartha Bera from Nomura. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks for the opportunity, sir. Sir, first question is on this lithium ion business. We have invested close to INR 4,800 crores till now. How much investment do you see in the next one or two years going ahead in this business? Second is, when we have started the trials, when we sort of look at the commercial supplies, do you think the pricing will be at par with the imported, or there can be some premium we can derive? How should we think about the learning curves? Where are the yields? Do you expect that we may be in the normal sort of yields by Q3 when we start, or that may take some time to settle down? Let me take the first part of the question, and then I will hand over to Pravin Saraf, who's on the call, to answer about pricing and yields. The first part is, Siddhartha, we have already got a board approval, and this has been announced in the past, of investing INR 1,400 crore in the FY 2027, which is a mix of both CapEx as well as the OpEx, working capital requirement which we have to fund. That's the number for FY 2027. I think that should be sufficient for phase 1. We'll see how it works. Regarding our pricing strategy and yields, I'll request Pravin to take over. Pravin? Yeah. Thank you. I'll start with the reply to yield. You're absolutely right. The yield is the most critical factor governing the price, the cost of the cell manufacturing. We, how we control, improve the yield is, we must have good machines, people, trained people, who is operating the machines as well as having the process knowledge and good technology support. You know that we have very good technology support from SVOLT. We have good machines already installed, which are very capable. What yield will govern is only by experiencing. We all learn that once we start three shifts running and having continuous running, then the yield will improve. It takes time, but definitely we will work towards it. How much it will take will be better to once we start the manufacturing, then we'll able to exactly predict that how much time it takes. I can only assure that whatever required things and parameters control yield are in present. Once we start, we'll try to reach to the yield level. The best yield level should be 90% what we should target. Coming to the pricing, yes, today, the raw material, we are getting all from import from China. The pricing today is definitely will be little higher. What we are targeting is that with yield utilization of the plant with the maximum utilization more than 85%, yield is 90%, and with some amount of localization, which you already know that a lot of local suppliers are coming, we will also able to meet the targeted price, what is the landed price today. What will help us in achieving this is also, if you may be knowing, recently there is a change in the VAT structure in China. For the imported cells today, the there is a 3% increase in the VAT due to the VAT structure already implemented. By January next year, it will be additional 6%. It will be overall 9% increase will happen. This will also help us. Parallelly, we are also working with government to have subsidies and incentives for the localization of raw material as well as for manufacturing of cell. Put together, our target will be meeting the landed cost of the imported cell. Thank you, Pravin. T hank you. I think, the key will be to also the government has to also develop this industry locally. There has to be a value for Make in India cell, like I have been repeating quarter after quarter. That we are the first one, and Make in India cell has to have its learning curve, because otherwise nobody else will come up for investment like this if they are not encouraged. That's also our take. Thank you. Got it. Thank you, sir. I'll come back in the queue. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Arvind Sharma from Citi. Please go ahead. Hi, good afternoon, sir. Thank you for taking my question. On the lithium-ion business, have you seen any, I mean, any revenue commitment over the past few months, given the trials, supplies have started or are supposed to start? When should the companies actually start seeing revenue accrue from the lithium-ion business? Versus the plans, say, when you launched in 2022, I remember you had said around 27-30 months is the time it takes for operationalization. Where are you in that plan right now? That's for the lithium-ion business. I think, let's little to bring clarity to the question. First one is, what is your status of revenue flow? That's simple. So far, we have been doing packed business, which is around, let's say, INR 100 crores, INR 200 crores of module and packed businesses which we were doing through imported cells. Now we will be making cells. Now, regarding start of cell revenue date, I think, I already mentioned in the previous question that in the first question itself, that when is likely the revenue to start. It will probably start with the LFP prismatic line, because that product does not need so much of approvals and things like that. The, that use case. As a start of production, the NMC cylindrical line will be first. We have not started the supplies of cells, just to correct you. We have completed our process validation. The sample supplies will start possibly this month, end of this month or next month. Pravin, would you like to add on this? Yeah. Yes, sir. Our internal validations for the cylindrical cells have been completed, and we will be able to give the cell to our customers in this month. Of course, as you all know that the customer validation will take time because there's homologation as well as their internal tests at the cell as well as at the pack level. For the prismatic cell, we are targeting by June and July, we can say, we want to give the samples for customer validation. Got it, sir. It will still be some time before there's any significant revenue recognition from the cell plant? This will be a material disclosure for us. Be assured that we will let you know much in advance our start date officially. Sure, sir. Thank you. Sir, second question on the core business, the legacy business. Will it be possible to share the proportion of autos and non-autos and the OEM replacement share in the mix? Will it be possible to share that? I think this we have shared many times in the past. Auto and non-auto is almost 50/50, roughly, or maybe 53/ 47, kind of. Auto is OEM and aftermarket put together is about 50%. The ratio between auto replacement and non-auto, as you know, it's standard, it's 70/30. Plus minus 1%. Yeah. Sure, sir. Thank you so much, sir. That's all from my side. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Before we take the next question, a reminder to all the participants, you may press star and then one to ask a question. We will take the next question from the line of Vijay Pandey from Axis Capital. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Thank you for taking my question. Sir, a couple of questions I wanted to check in terms of the raw material commodity inflation. How much impact are you seeing currently? Absolutely. You have to repeat your question, I'm afraid. You were not very clear. Can you say that again? Is it okay now? Am I audible? Better. Sir, I wanted to check, in terms of commodity inflation. Sorry to interrupt you between. Vijay, could you please use a handset mode and speak? Yeah, there are some background noises coming in. Is it okay now? Yes. Please proceed. Yeah. I wanted to check, the commodity inflation of, in the fourth quarter and the first quarter till date. What has been the, what is the level of hikes, of price increase you are seeing? I think this question we just answered a little back, I think, to Binay Singh. If you read the transcripts, I think we have mentioned it already. No, no. Sir, not looking about the price hike, the inflation, the raw material price. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, we have mentioned that as well. You have mentioned that also. Exactly what was the impact on the material rate impact you have mentioned? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Secondly, sir, the prismatic cell, a customer validation will take around, should we expect around three months or is it longer than 2-3 months? No, Prismatic. See, Prismatic, sales what we are making is primarily for three-wheelers and some stationary applications. For these applications, basically, these are either through trade channels or to institutional customers, where we are, we do not have that kind of a homologation process like an auto OEM runs. Therefore, the time to market will be and the time for revenue will be quicker than auto OEM. For cylindrical cell, it will be around three months. I mean, depends on the customer because it depends on how much mileage the vehicle will run, or they want to run. But, yeah, around that ballpark. I think, Pravin? Yes, 2-3 months. Yes. Yeah. Of course, depends on customer again. We are always, also discussing with them, but depends on that. Yeah. Okay. Sorry to interrupt you between, Vijay. I would request you to kindly rejoin the queue again for more questions. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Aditya Jhawar from Investec Capital Services. Please go ahead. Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, I think this commodity question is, you know, it's quite important in the current context. If you can refresh, you know, that if you look at our bill of material. What are the ballpark big commodity, you know, in terms of percentage, exposure that we have? You know, the top three, four commodities, whether it is lead, you know, polymer, how much percenage of COGS it represents? For specific commodity, if you can talk about that, what is the near-term outlook that you're looking at? Okay. Let's see how much we can give you. I'll give you both quarter-on-quarter and year-on-year rises. Yeah. Sir, I think first. Yeah I would recommend that for FY 2026 on a full year basis. What is the breakup of our bill of material in terms of exposure to key, big, commodities? I think, Aditya, perhaps this is a little not in public domain. All I can say is that our key components is lead, acid, and plastic. Okay. Mainly our bill of material items. This covers about 95%, 96%. Lead as a index has been softer year-over-year. You know, in India, lead is sold, even recycled leads are, and pure leads are sold on import parity prices. Because the currency has softened by about 10%, the reduction in LME has been over-offsetted by the dollar rupee depreciation. We did not get a net-net benefit on lead also. Regarding plastics, because we use polypropylene containers, this was directly hit in the Q4. Q1 to Q3 was pretty stable, Q4 we got a hit because of shortage of crude, which is coming to India. Sulfuric acid, I mean this for the first time, we used to buy sulfuric acid for INR 15, as I said one year back. Sulfur is a byproduct of the petrochemical refinery plants, right? Since the petrochemical plants refineries are operating at a lower capacity utilization, because of crude shortage, even the generation of sulfur has also come down. Therefore, just to run the business, sulfuric acid costs have gone to INR 75 April exit, compared to INR 15 in the beginning of the year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what I am trying to understand, sir, clearly I think lead prices not going up is also a better situation for us in INR terms. Lead might represent more than 50%, 60% of cost, and even the polymer prices would be the remaining 20%, 30%. What I am trying to understand that, yes, sulfur has seen a big spike, but is it less than 10% of BOM? See, I mean, we have to go into details. There are other alloys which also come in play based on seasonal demand. Are you looking for Q1 outlook or? No Kind of a picture of Q1 or last quarter four? No. I mean the outlook, I mean, if you look at on a blended basis depending upon how much exposure we have, because now the street is worried about, you know, the commodity inflation. Now looking, our exposure is significantly different to commodities as compared to OEM. We are just trying to understand from FY 2027 perspective, what should we think about commodity inflation and how much price increase would be required to offset that? The short answer is this, that this year, at least quarter-on-quarter, we will pass through the non-lead price increases to the customers. The lead will be governed by the formulas that we have with at least the OEMs and industrial customers. Otherwise, everything we will try to take price correction because at this moment, we believe that our sourcing efficiency is at its best just for business continuity itself. We have been successful in passing on in, as I said, January, February, March, April, four months consecutively, we could able to take price corrections from the market. If I do not know the situation of rupee, this is a kind of a uncertainty. If it stays at this level, then probably even if LME goes down, we'll not get the benefit in rupee terms. Just for your information, Aditya, till March, though LME was softer, in April LME has again shot up to 1,950. It's really volatile. We are navigating through, you know, calibrated price increase from the market. Yeah. Sure. Thank you, sir. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Shriram from L-MLP. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Am I audible? Yes, please. Yeah. Sir, if you can just help us understand that within the acid consumption, is it only sulfuric acid or are there other type of acid also that we use? No, it's sulfuric acid. Okay. That's it. That's the only question I had. Thank you so much. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Viren Samir Deshpande from Alphap eak Investments. Please go ahead. Hello, sir. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. The results have been quite different in the current scenario, and our dominance in the market share is really helping us. We are getting good results. Another important thing, the first to become the first company in India to make these lithium-ion batteries will be a good figure in the cap. As you rightly said, is the government likely to be significantly supportive to the company with these benefits or incentives like PLI or any other incentives? Otherwise the imports are going to hurt with the rupee depreciation. What is the status on that? imports are going to be expensive. That's what you meant? Yes. Yes. Precisely there are two parts of it. One is, of course, government has to develop this industry and, you know, give a value for or give a attention to Make in India cell. Yes. Believe me, when I sell manufacturing, it's electrode manufacturing. It's not importing, complete electrodes and just assembling it as a cell and then, supplying. If government wants us to really integrate backward in manufacturing our own electrodes, sourcing our own anode and cathode material from the country, they have to, you know, support the industry, and that will happen eventually. Otherwise, the investments will not come, not only in the cell manufacturing, but also in the supply chain. Okay. There is a second angle to it. The second angle is the comfort of the OEMs. Now, how long do you think a large OEM like, let's say, the top two names, Marutis, Tatas, Mahindras of this world, will depend on completely imported batteries from China for their vehicle? Yes. The OEM runs on one-day inventory. That is how their supply chain works. Oh. Here they are, you know, investing in three months inventory of imported material. Their operational sequence, their total supply chain management also, you know, improves for Make in India sourcing. Yes. I'm sure once there are scales, once there are players like us, even the OEMs would also like to have localized supplies. We have seen those trends already in some cases, because they, o f course, they want to have at least two sources. Even if not they, if even if they don't want to disrupt their import, they will like to have an alternative source because otherwise it is too expensive and too volatile, too big an exposure to depend on imported complete batteries from China on the long term. Yes, we are looking forward that both the government as well as the auto OEMs will be driving this market. Yes. More players to come in. Yeah. Yes. No, I think definitely with the Atmanirbhar policies of the government and the current situation in the Gulf, which is already exposing the country to these huge risks. If there are no imports possible, then the things really can come to a standstill and hit the India in a big way. Definitely the government support will come. Yeah. I hope, with these big investments we have made around INR 5,000 crores to date. I think in this year also we are likely to invest about INR 1,000 crores, you mentioned? INR 1,400. Okay. So it will be. It will be about INR 6,000. Yeah. About INR 6,500 odd crore will be the total investment. When we sold our life insurance business, we got approximately the similar amount, I think, in terms of the shares of HDFC Life. Yeah, roughly that amount. Yeah. We are currently in the investments in the balance sheet. Non-current investments have fallen by about INR 850 crores. Yeah. Have you sold some part of the shares of HDFC Life during the year? No, no. I will hand over to Manoj Agarwal, our CFO, to answer this question. Okay. So. It's only because of the mark to mark of valuation of the shares. We have not sold any shares as of date. Okay. The mark to market valuation has come down by about INR 850 odd crores. Yes, as of 31st March. Yeah. That, the, second effect has been given to, the, reserves or what? It went through OCI. We wrote through OCI, so it is coming as a net worth, not a P&L account. Okay. Okay. Okay. Sorry to interrupt in between, Viren. I would request you to please rejoin the queue again for more questions. Okay. Thank you, and all the best. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Suraj Chheda from Bandhan AMC. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hi, sir. Couple of questions. First on the. Sorry to interrupt in between, Suraj. You are not audible. Please use the handset mode. Yeah. Is it better now? No, you're not audible. Hello. Is it better now? Yes, please proceed. Yeah. Couple of questions from my side. First on the core lead-acid battery business. In the earlier comments during the call you mentioned that you're expecting mid high single-digit to early double-digit growth. This you mentioned with respect to FY 2027, or do you think over next 3-4 years that should be the medium-term CAGR for your business? I think even in the medium-term CAGR it should be. Last fiv years also, if you see the five-year CAGR was 11%. I don't see any reason for the next five-year CAGR to be different from that, plus minus few percentage, 1% maybe. Clearly the if you look at the OEM business today, which is for at least consecutive two quarters as well as Q1 outlook of this year, the automotive OEM business is growing by, you know, 20% +, 25%+. These are all going to get reflected in aftermarket after two years. Understood. Okay. What is the UPS revenue mix for you right now in FY 2026? The UPS revenue would be. Just a minute. It should be more than INR 2,000 crores, around INR 2,300 crores. Okay. Okay. Telecom you mentioned is maybe around 2%-3% of your revenues right now. Yes. Yes. Second question was with respect to your, first phase 1 of, you know, 6 GWh capacity for lithium-ion cell manufacturing. How do you see this capacity being allocated between, say, automotives and, maybe stationary application or telecom or BESS segment? Any plan you are having over next one, two years? I'll request Pravin to take this. Sure. Thank you. The 6 GW, we have two chemistries. I think it's a good thing that because of two chemistries we can able to cater the various applications. We have cylindrical and prismatic. Our capacity is divided, cylindrical in 3 and prismatic in 3 GW. As you know, cylindrical today the applications is 2-wheeler, and in prismatic, we have applications like 4-wheeler buses and stationary like telecom sector as well as BESS. This is how the today the capacity is allocated. Okay. Okay. Any breakup of this 6 GW hour between the two chemistry, ballpark numbers? Three, three. Three for cylindrical and three for prismatic. Okay. Okay. For this 3 GWh prismatic one, this will also cover your tie-up with the Hyundai which you announced, right? No, no. That's little different. This is, this will not have an impact on the Hyundai. Okay. Okay. That will be part of your phase 2. Sorry to interrupt in between, Suraj. I would request you to please rejoin the queue again. Sure. Sure. It's a follow-up on that. Just last question on this. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Karan Kokane from Tata AIA Life Insurance. Please go ahead. Yes, sir. Thanks for the opportunity. I just had a clarificatory question. If I heard right, you said that sulfuric acid prices have gone up from INR 15 per kg to INR 75 per kg? That's the sulfur price, not sulfuric acid. Sulfur price. Okay, sorry. Sulfur prices have gone up from INR 15 per kg to INR 75 per kg. You said this has happened since the start of the year. This is since January or this is since April? No, no. This is for one year. Gradual increase. Gradual increase, quarter on quarter. The baseline is Q1 of 2025. Four quarters. Okay. For the last one year? Tailing four quarters, yes. Okay. On a sequential basis, what will be the jump? Sequential basis, in Q4, sulfur was +40%. Sulfuric acid, is. 66%. No. Year-on-year, sorry, quarter-on-quarter sequential basis will be about 20%. April exit is higher than March exit by a lot. Yeah. Okay. This increase in price, does it get reflected in the same quarter or will it get reflected in the upcoming quarter? More or less, same quarter. If you recall, I just said that from 1st of April itself we took the price hike and because we did not wait. Normally, acid and others impact immediately, so that's why first we announced on 1st of April. Actually, we took on 20th of March one round. If you check your channels, you will know. We, 20th of March we announced, and then 1st of April back-to-back after 10 days we announced. Now we again, if go ongoing in May and June, you will also hear some announcements. Okay. Got it. That's it from me. Thanks a lot. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Deepak Ajmera from IG India. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi. Thanks for the opportunity. We would like to understand your thought process that you have invested INR 5,000 crore, will be investing another INR 1,000 crore. What sort of return metrics, now looking at the raw material price and the demand and the availability, what's your internal projection on the return metrics and the margin metrics? Sir, at the moment, we are completely focused on ramping up the production, as Pravin has mentioned. We do not know what will be the level of commodity prices when we actually serialize our production. Today, lithium has again gone up by double-digit in the last couple of months due to various supply demand constraints. It's not proper for me to do a math based on assumptions on commodity prices, because all those things will depend on that. What is good is that the customer has realized that lithium is also volatile. Today, last one year, lithium was dropping because there was high overcapacity in China. Today, if you look at last two, three months, the situation is reversed. Because of this West Asia crisis, because of crude shortages, the production of electric vehicle and electric vehicle batteries in China has shot up. Everybody has, you know, loaded their factories because primary fossil fuel is in crisis at this moment. This has led into a, you know, demand side boom locally and therefore the prices are going up. People also understand that lithium prices is not exactly predictable because this type of volatility will happen going forward. China, suddenly the government has come up with a policy that, you know, you can't bleed anymore. The EV manufacturer cannot make losses anymore. They have to be profitable, so they are forced to raise prices. That's why Pravin told you that they have withdrawn lot of VAT benefits and export benefits. This is the environment of lithium. I have a feeling that we will have a much better case than last year when we start production because prices will stabilize, number one. Number two is the prices are also indexed to a great extent so that the risk is also a pass-through, like lead. Third is, as I said, the OEMs will definitely take a deeper look of developing local supply chain for cells and packs. I think with this we'll have a much stronger case, but the time to announce that has not come. Let us ramp up our plant. Let us operate at 85% utilization with 90% yield, and that will be the time when I'll come back and reply to this question. Noted. Thank you. Thanks for elaborating the answer. Please have in mind, we are the first in the country to manufacture cells, with this kind of scale. Yeah, yeah. That's a really great achievement. Commendable. The second question is, while you are liaising with ministry or discussing on the policy framework on the cell manufacturing localization, what is their feedback? What they are exactly waiting for the any policy measures? It's like, kind of a chicken and egg. I mean, you also have to have sufficient capacity locally to, you know, announce a policy for Make in India. Unless there is I would like to believe unless there is about 20 GW, 25 GW of capacity in India, or let's say 20 GW, that is a minimum base where we will get a lot of support from the government. In fact, today, the whole EV market in automotive, the EV market in India is also 20 GWh. To have that, just to have that in mind, at scale. Once we have, two, three players coming up with, 15 GWh, 20 GWh, I think we'll have substantial scale for the government to, intervene and, you know, take some, policy changes. Noted, sir. Thank you. All the best. Thank you very much. Thank you. We will take the next question from the line of Sagar Parekh from Renaissance Investment. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi. Am I audible? Yes, please. Just, I was confused actually. You said 6 GW, 3 is in NMC and 3 is in LFP cylindrical, NMC cylindrical, 3 in LFP, lithium. Then you said Hyundai is separate. What exactly do you mean by that? With Hyundai we have a separate contract which, where, there is a co-investment. We are de-linking it with our own internal investment. That will be an incremental capacity over 6 GW when we commission that. That is not a part of that six. When will that be commissioned? No. How. No, no. That's not a part of the INR 4,800 crores also. INR 4,800 crores that you have invested. No, no. No. That we'll make a disclosure, when the time comes. Maybe soon. Yeah. It's not a part of FY 2027, this number. I'm not commenting on that. This is still not in public. Could be, I'm not commenting on this because this is a material disclosure. Noted. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as the last question for today. With that concludes the question and answer session. I now hand the conference back to the management for closing comments. Thank you everybody for the extremely engaging questions. We have been pretty confident of the quarter coming by because last consecutive two quarters was pretty satisfying, particularly after a weak quarter two. I think we have been able to deliver a growth which normally is in line with the expectation, both in top line and bottom line. Our April having gone, I think we have also have a similar view on quarter one of this year as well. I hope we have been able to answer all your questions satisfactorily. If you have any further questions, I mean, we would be very happy to be of assistance. Kindly reach out to us. Thank you. Over to the moderator. Thank you, members of the management. On behalf of Investec Capital Services, that concludes this conference call. Thank you all for joining with us today, and you may now disconnect your lines.