Good day, welcome to Bharat Forge Q3 FY23 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit Kalyani. Thank you, over to you, sir. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is Amit Kalyani, welcome to the Bharat Forge Q3 earnings phone call. Thank you for joining us. I have with me our teams from management, both from automotive and industrial and investor relations and finance teams. As usual, I'll take you through a quick rundown of what happened during the quarter and then open up for Q&A. We had, in terms of BFL India, we had a fairly strong performance. We had a high revenue of INR 1,952 crores. Exports of INR 1,166 crores, which was our highest ever. EBITDA margins were fairly good at 25.2%. PBT was impacted in this quarter because of finance cost and exchange impact on MTM of about INR 35 crores, which is a one-time and notional. I would expect a normalized interest cost in the range of INR 50-55 crores per quarter. Passenger Car revenue has continued to grow and is now at about 20% of total revenue, which used to be in you know, mid to low single digits 3, 4 years ago. Our export industrial revenues grew by 14% sequentially, driven by both oil and gas and aerospace. We've had new order wins in Q4 of about INR 265 crores, and for the 9 months of about almost close to INR 1,500 crores. Coming to our defense business, we've had a good run this year. We've had a total order booking of about INR 2,000 crores, including INR 600 crores just in Q3. These are all export orders, and this will all be completed in the next 2 and a half or so years. These are both for artillery guns, mounted guns and spares and consumables. Some part of this will be repeat business. Obviously the capital items will have an O&M component to it as well. Coming to our overseas subsidiaries, we've had a miserable performance with an EBITDA level loss of 62 crores, primarily driven by three factors. One is low capacity utilization due to ramp up of new facilities in Germany and North America. Overall, we have about 7.5 million piece capacity per year, and our product, our current rate of production is at about 50%. The old plant is running at about 70%, and the new plants are running somewhere between 25% and 30%. Overall, we have about a 50% capacity utilization. We have, I do want to reiterate that, while we are, you know, in the ramp up phase and, you know, we do have to have, we have a path to profitability in, you know, in work going on. The capacity is fully booked with orders. We are continuing ramp up, and we are working on getting all our cost compensations and price increases from our customers. I expect that we will see a better performance in Jan to March. We are very confident that in FY24, all this will be significantly value accretive. In terms of the JSA business, I'm happy to report that we have had a top line growth of 20% and EBITDA growth of 52% in Q3. We have secured new business of about INR 153 crores this quarter, and our total order wins post-acquisition stands at about INR 250 crores. We have signed a binding term sheet with Indo- Shell Mould to acquire its SEZ unit in SIPCOT. We expect this transaction to complete by March 2023. This plant is located about 3 km away from JSA's SIPCOT plant and will therefore have a lot of efficiency benefits of management and overhead and give us significant increased capacity. Our total melting liquid metal capacity will go up to about 120,000 tons, and casting capacity will be about close to 75,000 tons or so. I expect that the JSA business will grow at a very healthy double-digit CAGR over the next three years. When we bought this company, it had a revenue of about INR 420 crore-INR 430 crore. Next year we should be at, you know, somewhere in the region of 30%-35% higher than that. Year after that should be also possibly a similar amount, if not more, because we may also have the Indo Shell acquisition in place. We're very bullish about this sector. Overall, I think next year is gonna be a really turning point in Bharat Forge's history because a lot of the businesses and ventures that we have incubated over a long time, and some of the new acquisitions and the new ventures will all turn from, you know, either dormant to positive or negative to positive or, you know, mildly positive to highly positive. We expect this growth to continue. We have a lot of new order wins on our traditional business, especially in the Passenger Car sector, in the industrial sector, in the casting business, in defense, and we will turn around our aluminum forging business and our overseas operations. Overall, I expect that next year will be a good year, and quarter four will be a step towards that direction. I think that's really all I wanted to say, and I will now be happy to take your questions. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. First question is from the line of Pramod Kumar from UBS. Please go ahead. Yeah. thanks a lot for the opportunity, Amit. Amit, my first question is on the on the US and the European aluminum business. If you can just help us understand, you did mention the opening comment that you expect them to be accretive next year onwards. If you can just help us understand what is the big drag, what are you facing on the ramp-up, and where are we in terms of the utilization rates for these capacities? Directionally, how do you see the margins of in context to your existing businesses, once they have the full independent cost because they're kind of behind us? Right now both these plants are operating at, I would say, about 25% capacity utilization. We have, you know, a lot of product development going on, lot of product ramp-ups going on, and also training and development of, you know, manpower, especially in the US How do we see this ramping up? We have, you know, a defined production that we have to produce in the year, we are working towards that. At the same time, we also have to get compensation for all the cost increases that, you know, have happened inflationary-wise in Europe and the US, which includes energy, which includes manpower, which includes freight, which includes overhead, and so on and so forth. It's a combination of growing your top line, increasing your margins through cost compensation, and reducing cost through efficiency. Margin related to the rest of the business, do you expect. I would expect our margins when we are, running at, you know, let's say 75%, 80% capacity to be in the high teens. To be the high teens. Okay. No, no, that's good to hear. 16%, 17%, 18%, in that ballpark. Of course there'll be upside if you can ramp it up higher beyond like 85, 90% operating. Absolutely. Yeah. Great. Thanks for that. The second question is on the CV industry, Amit. As we Did you say TV or CV? CV, sir. Sorry. India commercial vehicle. Commercial vehicle. Sorry. Yeah, India commercial vehicle business. Thanks. You did talk about, forging momentum being strong. Just want to understand, is RDE not causing any production disruption when you look at the production schedules, what you have from the OEM? Do you expect it to get- What is causing? RDE. The real driving emission regime. The transition to the real driving emission regime. Not that we see, because we had a review just last week and our projections for Q4, MHCV is close to 100,000. Wow. Okay. This is what our customers have told us. Extending it to the international side, because of the increasing concerns on US interest rates and the economy, is the commentary from the OEM changing? Because as we understand, they're booked out for 2023. Most of the capacities are sold out. Are you, on the margin, seeing some bit of cancellation and some bit of reduction optimism on 2023 from the US OEM for the truck side? No, nothing of that kind at all. Actually, I will let Subodh comment about this. No, no, I agree. We are not seeing anything. We are not seeing any, you know, slowdown or any downturn in the US demand as of now. In fact, it remains strong and, you know, we expect that this year, next year will be, you know, as strong as this year. Great. Final question on defense, Amit. As you understand, ATAGS, your gun is like the last one in the fray. They did got used in the Independence Day celebration last year, but it's been quite some time that we still haven't seen the order coming in. They've started the exports already for a separate gun. By when do you expect some development on that count, sir? I think you're ramping up capacities, you're creating the entire infrastructure, but we haven't seen the orders coming through. Well, I think we're you know, we're on the edge. I think very soon, you should hear something, hopefully in the next, you know, couple of months. Great to hear that and wish you all the best. Thank you. Yeah. The PM has also talked about this. Hopefully, you know, all of it should, you know, fructify at some stage. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks a lot, Amit. Thank you. Thank you. Next question is from Jinesh Gandhi from Motilal Oswal Financial Services. Please go ahead. Hi, Amit. Continuing on defense question, so the INR 600 crore order is largely for spares and ammunition or you have also won any gun or the vehicle order? It's 50/50. 50% is for capital items and 50% is for spares and consumables. Okay. You indicated this is largely for exports. All of it is for export. Okay. export side is ramping up pretty well in defense. that's good to see. Got it. second question- The entire order book right now is for defense, for exports. Exports. Okay. Got it. Got it. Coming to JS Auto cast. We have seen good amount of pressure on margins vis-a-vis what they used to make earlier from 16% to close to about 11%. Is this largely because of metal prices or there is something else to that? There are two factors. One is inflation, and the second is that they had one customer who had a very high margin business, which has now come down to almost zero because that customer had its end demand coming from Russia. Okay. Okay. Because of that, there is a postponement in that business. Right. sustainable margin for JS Auto Cast would be what, about 13% to 14%? No, I think our goal is to take it to about 15% to 16% in the medium term. Okay. Okay. I would say in a year or two. Got it. Got it. Lastly, with respect to the impact of commodity prices, have you started to see benefit of lower steel prices and aluminum prices? Not yet. It's flat right now. Okay. That will be additional driver of margins from here on. Yeah. When they start coming down, yes. Right. Lastly, can you indicate UAD MR for the quarter? UAD realization? got it. Thanks. I'll call back. Thank Thank you. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Mumuksh Mandlesh from Emkay Global. Please go ahead. Thank you so much for the opportunity, sir. Mumuksh, your line is Can't hear you. Sorry. Please speak up a bit. Okay. Can you hear me? Can you hear me, sir? Yes. This is better. Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity, sir. What was the revenue for this M4, this quarter, and how much is more pending in coming quarter? Any update on the reversal of penalty that occurred in Q2, sir? No. That, matter is still being, you know, let's say, discussed and, debated with the ministry. I don't have a figure for you right now. I would say roughly INR 80 crores for the KM4 for this quarter. Right. Can you share some light on the Bharat Forge attendance at the Aero India? What kind of traction and what are new products company displaying? Yeah. Look, we currently have a strong business in three areas of aerospace. By the way, we are at the Aero show, and if any of you are visiting, kindly visit us, chalet number 35, and I will be there tomorrow as well. In fact, right after this, I will head to Bangalore. Currently our exposure to aerospace is in three areas. We make aerostructure components, which are forging, complex forging. We make landing gears, and we make engine components. And I'm very happy to tell you that we are the only company in India which is certified for article forging by Nadcap. We're the only company which is certified for all materials, including materials that we make in India, in Satara, and using them and converting them to forgings. Nickel alloy, maraging alloy, and titanium. These are the three materials that we forge. Of course, aluminum also. There are certain aluminum parts also we forge for aerospace. We are seeing very strong growth in our aerospace business. Currently what is happening is we are seeing a lot of US involvement in Atmanirbhar Bharat by setting up manufacturing facilities to manufacture certain large systems in India. That is where we are becoming part of their supply chain. By getting into the supply chain and value chain of these companies in India, we also will get into eventually their supply chain outside India, because there has now been an agreement between India and the US where, in areas of high technology, cyber and you know, those kind of areas of working too closely together and creating mutual supply chains. This is what happened in the beginning of the month, in Washington D.C. We expect to see some positive fallout from this going forward. In fact, there is a very strong presence of US companies on the buying side at the Aero show. Right, sir. Thank you for the explanation, sir. Sir, can you possibly indicate, what kind of revenues for FY 2024 we see for defense segment, sir? I don't want to give you a forward-looking statement, but you know, it's gonna be substantially higher than what it is this year. Thank you. That'll be, you know, I would say order of magnitude higher than this year. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Pramod Aante from InCred Capital. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi Amit. This is with regard to the international operations. I understand your aluminum forging is taking time, but even if I have to look at your steel forging on a September quarter versus December. There seems to be a slippage, into your losses again. Is it more seasonal or you feel? No, there is no loss on the steel business. It's all from the aluminum business. The steel business is operating positively, but at a slightly lower EBITDA than what we'd like. See, all of the businesses have had to deal with a very strong, you know, let's say, inflationary atmosphere. Germany has been especially badly hit because Not only has it been an inflationary atmosphere, it's also had very, big problems in terms of manpower availability during COVID. A combination of all this has led to a decline in profits, but it is still, EPS accretive and positive. Coming to the aluminum business, have you already seen the turnaround in the international operations, or you are hopeful of turning around in the March quarter? We are seeing improvement in Q4 over Q3. You know, in Q1 we will be even better off than Q4. As I mentioned, you know, we will get to the numbers that we have indicated by the middle of the year, but we will be EPS accretive for the full year FY 2024. Just to understand better, are these programs going slower, and hence it's taking time to ramp up, or it is more about? It's a combination. It's a combination. It's a combination of multiple things. You know, Europe has lost over 1.2 million car production because of supply chain issues last year. Between Europe and US, they have lost 3 million car production because of supply chain issues. It is a combination of external and internal factors. Sure. last one is. Please remember that, you know, the price escalation and price compensation is something that we need to get in order to, you know, be able to operate at the level of profitability that we had planned. Sure. With regard to EV parts, you are planning to open up some plants in India. Any update, in the sense, you have started them or are they on course? Those plants will start from next month. One plant will open next month, one in March and one in May. Okay, sure. Thanks a lot. Thanks. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Gunjan Prithyani from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just 2 follow-ups. Just going back to the US truck cycle, I mean, there is a 6, 7-month sort of backlog at the OEMs, but the order intakes have started slowing for last 2 months. You know, any color on how we the outlook for the industry beyond 6, 7 months of backlog? At this point, most of the production slots for 2023 are covered at least till November. It is not 6, 7 months. Basically, you know, the last 2 months also have been around 18,000, which is slightly lower than the average. The expectation right now is 2023 and 2024 will be reasonably okay. Okay, got it. The second follow-up I had was, I mean, I understand the defense ramp-up you mentioned next year, is it possible to get the revenues for both defense and aerospace for this year, maybe nine months or this quarter? I think we'll share that at the end of the year. Okay. Okay, got it. This, just the last thing on the order backlog. Now, INR 2,000 crore, which you mentioned, I mean, how should we be thinking about the translation of this into revenues? I mean, in terms of timelines, does large part of this start contributing from FY24 onwards and the incremental win that we are talking about from Indian Army, that also starts kicking in in FY24? You know, it'll be INR 2,000 plus, is it? Yes, it will be 2,000 plus, because this does not include any of the Indian orders. You should start expecting to see revenues from this start growing from the second quarter of 2024, which is the June quarter. I mean, June, July, August, September. Okay? Okay. The entire INR 2,000 crores will be done in 30 months, largely in 2 years with some spillover into a half year more. Okay. That should be same for the domestic orders also, right? Once they come through, like the execution timeline is pretty much- It depends on what the order asks for. Okay? Okay. If the order says, "I need it done in 5 years," it's in 5 years. If the order says, "I need it done in 3 years," it's in 3 years. It really depends on what the order conditions and terms are. Okay. Okay, got it. Thank you so much. Sure. Thank you. Next question is from Siddhartha Bera from Nomura. Please go ahead. Yeah. thanks for the opportunity. Sam, just wanted to understand, we have got a couple of orders on both domestic and export, defense side. Are we incurring any costs right now in our P&L as well for some of these orders? We are always incurring costs. First of all the products that we have developed so far, we have developed on our own. All these products, the product development, R&D and testing validation, all has been passed through our balance P&L. Nothing has been capitalized. Okay. The new orders that we have won all the new orders for the systems are going to be executed by Kalyani Strategic Systems Limited, as we have already explained, because that is the which is a 100% subsidiary of Bharat Forge. It's only because all reps and warranties that one needs to give in this defense business, we don't want Bharat Forge to be there. We want it to be in a separate entity. All the value-added components which we have developed over the last, you know, five, six, seven years, are all going to be manufactured by Bharat Forge and sold to this company at an arm's length profitable basis. Got it. Sir, I wanted to understand if in case, I mean, will it be possible to quantify the amount of margin drag some of these costs will be impacting the quarter so that when revenues of these will get normalized, will it be quantified? No, no. See, whatever costs are being incurred, are being incurred as it is. There's not gonna be any increase in cost. Okay. Okay. Okay? On the RM side also, we had some one-off defense costs last quarter. If I adjust for that, it does not seem that it is, we have seen any benefit since it has gone up on a quarter-on-quarter basis. Can you just throw some more color on why the RM to sales seems slightly elevated? Sorry, Siddhartha, your voice is muffled. Can you please use the handset mode? Yeah. Is it better now? Yeah, little better. Very clear. Just wanted to check, like last quarter we had some 70 bits, one-time cost on defense vehicles, last quarter. If I adjust for that, RM to sales seems to be slightly higher on the current quarter. Possible to highlight any particular reason why RM to sales remains elevated? No, it's just raw material prices are high. Nothing else. Okay. Based on current procurement, how much benefit should you think we should expect from current levels? In what? Excuse? I can't understand your question. Please, come closer to the mic. I am directly speaking on the phone. You can have a discussion offline with our team and understand this in more detail. I think this is a very detailed question that you're asking, and I'm not exactly clear what you're asking. We're not able to hear you. Thank you. We take the next question from the line of Amyn Pirani from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi. Thanks for the opportunity. You know, and apologies if the question I'm about to ask has already been asked because I joined a bit late. Your interest cost has increased quite sharply quarter-on-quarter. Is there a reason why that has happened? Let me explain very simply. The interest cost for this quarter has a INR 35 crore MTN impact, which is 1 time and notional. If you remove that, the interest cost will come to about INR 55 crore. This INR 55 crore is a quite a large increase over what it used to be in the past. The reason for that is that on our foreign currency loan and the working capital loan, we have seen a pretty steep rise in interest rates and so forth. While the spread remains tight, the overall costs have gone up, the base has gone up. That is the increase in financing cost. Okay. Now it will remain here unless global interest rates come down. I would say that on a normalized basis, we should expect INR 50-55 crores a quarter interest cost. Okay. Okay. Okay. Understood. The MTN is not gonna happen every quarter. Of course. Of course. Just going back to the commodity question, I think the reason why, you know, a lot of us, you know, are a bit confused is because a lot of the OEMs, and it's not like to like, have been talking about benefits on commodities which they have seen in the quarter. I guess for you, your input is not just basic steel, it is specialized steel. It's a pass-through, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Please understand that the OEMs bear the brunt of this, whereas companies who are in the conversion business like us have a pass-through. Correct. Correct. Ultimately we should be looking at gross profit per ton or EBITDA per ton rather than looking at RM, right? Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely. Fair enough. Fair enough. Thanks a lot. I'll come back. Sure. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Arjun Khanna from Kotak Mahindra Asset Management. Please go ahead. Sure. Thank you for taking my question. My first question is on the defense piece again. While we've talked of the order book of 2,000 crores, our chairman on television talked about this largely being export. Is it a fair understanding that this is incremental defense business apart from what we already have, and the 1,000 crores what you have talked of execution FY 2024 would be incremental revenue for the company? Yes. INR 2,000 crores is our current total order book. All of it is exports. Okay? Roughly that amount, what you mentioned, is what we hope to do in the first year, execute in 2024. Sure. We already have a defense piece where we supply other equipment to India, et cetera. That's that business- We haven't received orders yet. Sure. Talking of spares and we have shells, et cetera, other routine business. you know, actually that comes in our coating business because we've been doing that for so long. Right. Sure. Yeah. These are new businesses which we have developed in the last few years and which are, you know, more than just coatings. They're, you know, components, subsystems and systems. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mahesh Bendre from LIC Mutual Fund. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Thank you so much for the opportunity. For the quarter, we have reported tonnage of around 63,000, which is the best in last 16 quarters, and we have recovered very fast. Still, compared to FY19, we are around 10% below that. Do you think given the growth prospects for next year, we're talking about will be able to cross all-time high tonnage next quarter? I think next year our numbers will be significantly higher than what we have ever done, both in terms of, I would say, production and definitely in terms of sales, because we have so many new businesses. You know, when you look at it, 16 quarters ago, it was a coating business. Okay? There was no defense, there was no aerospace, there was no casting. These are three big new growth drivers which are going to have a big impact next year. You know, those are gonna be significant positive growth drivers in addition to growth coming from, you know, our overseas subsidiaries, our Indian fundamentals, you know, standalone business growing and so on and so forth. You're gonna have a lot of other growth drivers. Sure, sir. Sir, the last question from my end is, we were talking about European business. I mean, because of the war and everything, there is a weakness in the European side. If I look at the numbers, our numbers are really good. I mean, they are very comparable. It's better than FY nineteen what we have reported. Actually those weakness have not been reflected in our numbers. If Europe come back next year or recovery happens, then our numbers will be substantially higher than what it is now. Well, that's what we're hoping, and that's what we're working towards. Okay. Sure, sure. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Next question is from line of Peter from Kesmar Wealth Management. Please go ahead. Hello, sir. I just wanted to know a little bit on the Europe front. In FY22, when US revenue is decreased and Europe increased. First, I wanted to know that as a 9-month basis, what is the revenue split between India, US, Europe and rest of the world? I don't have nine months. I have the quarter. Okay, sir. We can have our team share that with you later. Okay, sir. Okay. Quarter, if you can share, sir? Quarter, you know, India was about 40%. It's in the update, yeah. Okay. It's in the update. It's in the in the update. It's in the update on page 6 of the update. Okay. In terms of the revenue split in Europe, like what% is taken by CV, passenger vehicle and industrial? What is the outlook for industrial in Europe? I don't have that information with me right now. Honestly, I think you should take that offline. We expect both the CV and PV to be fairly strong globally for us. Okay. My final question is on Tork. Any update on any sales numbers and how is the demand looking for Tork EV? Demand is looking good. You know, their new production facility will start next month, and then they'll be able to ramp up, quite dramatically. You know, whatever vehicles they have sold so far, they've sold, I would say 700-800 vehicles, which have covered more than 1 million-1.2 million kilometers without any accidents and fires and recalls. The technology is robust and well proven. Thank you, Sir. That is all from my side. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Next question is from Chirag Shah from Nuvama. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Two questions. Sir, one is a housekeeping one. There is a big ForEx gain of INR 41 crores in other expenses. That is pertaining to US business, mark to market on the US exposure? Or is there something else in that? Mainly on the receivables on the Euro side. Receivables on the Euro side. Okay. This is again mark to market, right? Yes. This will reverse based on how it played out for you, unless you realize that. Yes. Yeah. Second question is, on the domestic revenue, there is a sequential decline of around 2% in the presentation that you have shared. Is it more to pass through effect of commodity or it's largely mix and a seasonal thing? Anything specific to call out there? There was a small drop in Fast Track, and there was an inventory correction of production in tractor. Sales didn't drop, but production for some OEMs had dropped a little. Small drop, that's all. Okay. it's driven by patch card, it's not driven by No. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much, and all the best. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Jinesh Gandhi from Motilal Oswal. Please go ahead. Hi. Can you also update on Sanghvi Forgings, how it is doing? Where are we in terms of our ramp-up plans and do we plan to expand capacity or look to increase value add there? Yeah. Mr. Sanjeev Nimkar, the Head of our Industrial Business will talk. Yeah. first correction there, we have renamed it as a Bharat Forge Industrial and Technology Solution, so we don't call it as a Sanghvi Forgings. coming to your question, this year we'll be doubling the sales than what we acquired last year. That business is doing very well. Right now we are at around 55% of capacity utilization, so we have huge scope to go ahead with that. We do not need to expand anything at this point. Down the line 2 years, we can look at it. Okay. Are you looking at increasing machining there? I believe machining levels are very low, and that's opportunity to increase value add for us there. You are absolutely right. Right now the machining levels are low there. Going forward, when I'm saying about expansion, primarily it will be on a machining side. Also, we don't need to expand the forging capacity. To increase forging output, all we need to do is increase the heating capacity furnaces, which are not expensive. You know, the main heavy investment asset is already in place. That asset can produce as much output as we used to produce from our 4,000 ton forging press in Mundhwa, you know, which is quite a large amount. Got it. Got it. It is now profitable at EBITDA level or we are in process of turning it around? No, it's been profitable, it's been profitable from day one, but as we add value to the product and we get new product approved and accredited, that's when we will start seeing an increase in margins. Got it. Got it. Great. Thanks and all the best. Thanks. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that would be our last question for today. I now hand the conference back to Mr. Amit Kalyani for closing comments. Thank you and over to you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your patience, interest and questions about our company and comments. Your constant support is, you know, something that motivates us and keeps us going and keeps us on our toes as well. Thank you very much and have a lovely week. Thank you very much. Lastly, please do visit us at the Aero show. Even if not tomorrow, any of the other days, our team will be there. It's chalet number 35. If any of you need help in getting passes or whatever, just get in touch with Kirti Dagli from my office, and he will coordinate it. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Bharat Forge, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.