Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Q1 FY 2025 Earnings Conference Call of Transformers and Rectifiers India Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be on listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need any assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Subhadip Mitra from Nuvama Institutional Equities. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Good evening, friends. On behalf of Nuvama Institutional Equities, welcoming you all to the first quarter FY 2025 Results Conference Call of Transformers and Rectifiers India Limited. We have with us today the top management of the company, represented by Mr. Jitendra Mamtora, Chairman; Mr. Satyen Mamtora, Managing Director; and Mr. Chanchal Rajora, CFO and Advisor to the Board. I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Satyen Mamtora for his opening comments. Over to you, sir. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you all for joining us on this Earnings Conference Call. We are delighted to have you here as we discuss the company's performance over the past quarter and the year ahead. Following on our board meeting earlier today, we promptly released our financial results and investor presentation on the stock exchange. We are particularly pleased with our order book position and the diverse range of orders secured throughout the year across various sectors, including solar power, private industry, and power utilities. Notably, our new orders this quarter amounted to INR 698 crore. Additionally, we have achieved a significant milestone with the million order of four STATCOM transformers of single phase, marking the first for an Indian company to be in this specialized segment. Our unexecuted order book as of 30th June 2024 stands at INR 2,929 crores. Currently, we have inquiries worth INR 17,500 crores under negotiation and bidding stage. Looking ahead to the remainder of the fiscal year 2025, we have successfully navigated through phases of stabilization, turnaround, and growth. We are now focused on consolidation, expansion, and achieving sustainable profitability. We have implemented strategic growth initiatives across the organization, which are already reflecting positively on our performance. Our revenue targets for the year remain unchanged. We extend our sincere gratitude to each participant for joining on our earnings call and for your continued support and trust. We hope we have addressed all your queries satisfactorily. Moving forward, we are excited about the upcoming milestones. New capacity for renewable energies will commence production from December 2024. Our fully automated rectifier manufacturing facility will be operational from September 2024. We have initiated journey towards backward integration to CRGO of critical components, exploring new avenues for organic and inorganic growth. Our revenue targets for current fiscal year remain steadfast. Furthermore, we are proud to have received an operational excellence award from Power Grid, and to have successfully exported 220 MVA electric arc furnace transformer, one of the largest ratings ever manufactured globally. Once again, thank you all for your participation and support. We look forward to your continued partnership as we progress into the next phase of our growth journey. With this, I conclude my remarks, and now I would like to hand over the call to our CFO, Mr. Chanchal Rajora, for his comments on financial parameters. Thank [audio distortion], sir, for providing an overview on the current quarter as well as the year ahead. I would now like to share some key financial highlights with your esteemed shareholders. Dear shareholders, I'm pleased to present the accomplishment of our company for the first quarter of FY 2025, which has been one of our strongest first quarter in recent past years, marked by the substantial growth in the revenue and profitability. Financial highlights: In quarter one, our standalone revenue reached INR 311 crore, reflecting an impressive year-on-year increase of 103%. We achieved an EBITDA of INR 42.53 crore, a significant rise of 633% year-on-year basis, with an EBITDA margin of 13.65%. Our profit after tax stood at INR 18.41 crore, showing a robust increase of 268% year-on-year, with an EPS margin of 5.83%. Our consolidated revenue reaches to INR 322 crore, reflecting an impressive year-on-year increase of 107%. We achieved an EBITDA of INR 46.22 crore, a significant rise of 650% year-on-year, with an EBITDA margin of 14.35% at consolidated groups level. Our profit after tax stands at INR 20.87 crore, showing a robust increase of 268% year-on-year, with an EPS margin of 6.4% on the consolidated groups. During the quarter, we secured the orders for totaling INR 698 crore, highlighting our strong momentum in order inflow. As of June 30th, 2024, our unexecuted order book stays INR 2,926 crore. We are delighted to announce a significant achievement for our organization, as it successfully raised INR 500 crore through a qualified institutional placement in just three weeks time, marking a historic milestone in the Indian market. This accomplishment not only underscores the strength of our business fundamentals, but also reflects robust investor confidence in our vision and the growth prospects. The unprecedented speed with which we completed the QIP highlights our efficiency and ability in navigating financial markets, further solidifying our position as a leader in the industry. Throughout FY 2025, we have placed significant emphasis on the people management and the upskill initiatives, acknowledging the pivot role of our workforce in our success. We are focused on enhancing technical skill for forecasting leadership, readiness, and improving overall competitiveness across our manufacturing, sales, and engineering divisions. Looking forward, we are optimizing about our prospects for FY 2025, anticipating enhancements across various financial metrics. Our strategies are centered on achieving a streamlined balance sheet by reducing debtors and optimizing inventory management. Our ultimate aim is to transform into a debt-free company in the near future, supported by the clear and actionable plan already underway. In conclusion, we are all well positioned to capitalize the opportunities within India's evolving energy sector, with robust corporate governance, advanced technology, superior product, and a dedicated team. We are confident in our planned path towards the sustainable and profitable growth. I extend my heartfelt gratitude to our customers, the board and management, Reliance, management, and particularly to our committed employees for unwavering dedication and support. Thank you very much. Subhadip. Subhadip? Subhadip? Moderator, you can start Q&A session, please. Sure thing. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking your question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumar, from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead, sir. Yeah, good afternoon, sir, and congratulations on a very, very good set of numbers. So my first question is, can you just talk about the opportunity landscape, the breakup of these INR 178 billion orders under negotiation? Is it possible to break this into power transformer and distribution transformers, and any timelines you expect this order to get finalized? Most of this would be, let's say, 95% of this would be in power transformers and solar transformers. Remaining 5% would be distribution transformers. Is it fair to say that we are talking mostly about interstate transmission system in India? Yeah, we are talking about mostly interstate transmission systems in India. My second question is, can you talk about the reactors order book? It has grown massively in the last two, three years. Is it primarily for high voltage? And any color on the competition on the reactors will be very, very helpful. Yeah. See, as far as the reactors are concerned, there are very few players. I know six players are there in the game, who are manufacturing base and who have the technology for manufacturing reactors. When the reactor is going to go, primarily because of the renewable energy, which creates a lot of harmonics, and then, you know, it's to be filtered, and then it will disturb the grids. To stabilize the grid, you need the reactor. So it is now, you know, just like if I see the recent orders, you know, with one transformer, there are about two to three reactors, something like that. You know, so requirement of reactor is increasing like anything, and it is also, they are intending to increase the capacity of the reactors much above today's limit of 110 MVA for MVAR for 735 kV transformers, and 125 MVAR three-phase 400 kV transformers. They are going to increase it to improve the efficiency and to also reduce the cost, overall cost of the reactor. So is it fair to say that the reactors will still be around INR 700,000 crore per year market, or do you think they're much smaller? It will be something like that. It will be something like that. Understood. My last question, sir: When do we expect to see your IDT transformer booking starting? Is it fair to say that we, that we can see some amount of booking in Q2 or Q3? Q2? See, we have. I mean, we are forced to accept some orders from some of our valued customers. We can't deny them, but, you know, we are going to automate the production of the IDT transformer, not only to reduce the cost, but also to improve the operating efficiency so that we can deliver something like 100 transformers per month. You know, this is our ultimate goal, and we are getting ready for that. We have ordered the machineries, we have started the construction for the new bay. It's going to be exclusive bay for manufacturing IDTs for the solar plants, smaller transformers up to 15 or 16 or 18 MVA. And besides that, some special transformers will also be produced in that, which matches the, you see, the compulsion will be the restriction of the crane and the height of the crane. So whatever we can do in that, we will do it, which includes transformers, like rectifier transformers, and also for the upcoming hydrogen projects, for which we have started getting the inquiry. We have manufactured one for GE U.S.A., and we have supplied to them. So many more orders are going to come from there. The total requirement is something like 2,300 transformers in a year, for just only for hydrogen projects. Equalize the, what you say, electrolyzers. So electrolyzers, the rectifier and the transformer. We'll be supplying only the transformer. Rectifier part will be supplied by somebody else, and electrolyzer will be their own make or maybe, they may, outsource them, like they outsource rectifier and the transformers. So these. This is the main, yeah. Are you expecting something like, so 30, 40 GW of IDT market for in India for the next couple of years? Is it fair to assume that? Very frankly speaking, we have not really worked on that. But there are ample of business like, we were talking to Adani, they need about one thousand transformers in a year. Mm-hmm. Similarly, companies like ReNew, companies like ACME, they also require that, and recently, Avaada. Avaada. Avaada also they require something like 700, 800 transformers. Each transformer will be costing, around, you know, if I'm not mistaken, about INR 1.2 crores, correct? INR 1.2 crore. Something like that, so it's a huge opportunity, you know. Mm-hmm. It is only based on how reliable you are and how quickly you deliver, because everything is based on your delivery time. So we are trying to set up the plant for manufacturing 100 transformers in a month. So that means about 100 transformers in a month, 1,200 transformers in a year. So almost four transformers a day. We can easily do that. You know, we have done that in the past for the Adani. So we can do that. It's not a big thing. Understood, sir. Thank you and all the best, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ganeshram from Unifi Capital. Please go ahead, sir. Yeah. Yeah, am I audible? Yes, you are audible, sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. So just to help us understand, in connection to the previous question, so all our IDTs, the capacity that's coming in, I think you mentioned in September 2024, like, what's the competitive landscape like, for this particular product? And then, do we see any impact on the margins on the upside or, downside? Maybe, maybe that's the first question. So the new plant will be operational by, we’ll start producing transformers from the new plant in December 2024. Okay. The competitors are, there are also competitors there. But with the kind of situation, everybody is either booked or they have enough to you know supply the transformers. So there is no such undercutting for the price of the transformers. Got it. Got it. And just to sort of understand how, you know, the realizations and margins sort of compare to our existing product mix, and yeah. The realization will be very similar to the current product mix. There should not be any change, positive or negative, towards the realization of this, on this new transformers that we are manufacturing. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Subhadip Mitra from Nuvama. Yes, Subhadip. Yes, sir. So my question is, firstly, just clarifying on the guidance, if I remember correctly, I think your previous guidance for FY 2025 was sales of INR 2,000 crores for full year, and around 14% EBITDA margins. Are you still maintaining the same guidance? Subhadip, if you just heard our opening comment of Satyen sir, he has clearly mentioned that our revenue guidelines remains in the same line. So we will be INR 2,000 crore is quite achievable, and we are working on that. EBITDA margin will definitely be on your expectations. Understood. And similarly, if one is to take, let's say, you know, a view two to three years down, what kind of, let's say, revenue growth over a two-year period? And let's say, target margins over a two to three period, or two to three-year period, would you be looking to target or achieve? So by the next three years, we are well-poised to reach INR 4,500 crore-INR 5,000 crore numbers on a standalone basis, with the EBITDA levels of somewhere 16%-17% levels. And we also see a better growth in our consolidated books, in terms of the numbers, because of the backward integration and backward executions what we are doing. Understood. Sure. If you could also, you know, help us with an update on the acquisitions that you were targeting to do, as well as the backward integration. Okay. So far we have raised the QIP in last month, and there are certain objects we have mentioned in our PD. And we are working on those directions, and I'll make sure that the funds will be utilized only for those purpose. And soon we will be starting working on those directions. We already started working on the backward integration side on the fabrication unit. As one of the largest fabrication unit, we are working on that. Work is started on that part. And on the other side we are working on that, and when the right time will come, we will definitely announce that. Understood. And lastly, I think sir mentioned that we are looking to have the new facility, having the ability to manufacture, you know, a large number of transformers on a monthly basis. So that is gonna come from the new factory, which is expected by December 2024? No. Yes. We are expanding our Changodar plant. So, the December 2024 Changodar plant is being expanded to include solar transformers and green hydrogen transformers. Understood. Yes. Then the ability to do, you know, 100 transformers in a year, that will be from which one? Yes, yes, yes. This new facility what we are making in Changodar, you missed last month, May visit actually. You would have seen by yourself the progress there. So we are expecting somewhere between 12,000-15,000 MVA yearly basis from there. So as the Chairman has just guided, that 100 transformer of 15 and 15 MVA range will not be a big thing from there. Understood, sir. Perfect. Thank you so much for answering my questions. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Gunjan Kabra from Niveshaay. Please go ahead. Thank you for the opportunity. So my first question is that, so there are some news articles stating that, you know, INR 44,000 crores of transmission projects are getting delayed by PGCIL. There are like, 18 projects getting delayed by 32 months, and 8 projects getting delayed by 12 months or so. So what's your sense on the delay? Because that might delay the execution, though it's the need of the hour, and demand for transformers is really good in the industry. So is there a delay in the execution on the transmission side, and how can it impact us in terms of execution, if you can guide? See, this is the report which we have read today in the paper about the trouble they are facing for executing the entire project as they have promised, because of the availability of the fund. But I think, you know, with PGCIL, there are other private players also, like Adani and Tata Power and Sterlite. So they will be pushing in, you know, to get these orders. Now, so far, whatever orders have been placed are mainly from, the orders which we have received are mainly from Power Grid. Now, you know, there may have been. I don't know, you know, why, they are of the opinion that there may be, they may stall, some of the projects. But I don't see that. You know, the kind of, what should I say? The feeling which we get from them, they are even now trying to get into, 11,000 or 12,000 kV AC lines, two or three of the 765 kV lines, they will be converting to, or 400 kV lines, so they will be converting to, 1150 kV lines. They have called for the meeting of the stakeholders to see their response, whether they will be ready with this. So our person was the same thing, that if there is no enough order, investing for 1,200 kV transformers separately will be a big challenge. But we need some clarification from them, how much transformers they are going to require, and on the basis of that, the people will come out with the facility. Because it is to be manufactured in the same facility, but they are going to be much larger transformers than what they are buying today. It will be a bank of 3,000 MVA, single bank, as against today what they have is 1,500 MVA. 1,500 MVA to 3,000 MVA is a big jump, but the problems will be faced in transportation also, because each transformer will be weighing something like 425- 450 tons. So transportation, well, the bridges which are modified or built are in a position to take that load, or they will have to have a separate route for that, something like that. So these are the challenges, but this is going to come by 2027. That is what they are expecting. So, you know, I don't think there will be a slowdown, as mentioned in the paper today, the small news which has come. I don't know why, but we are not getting any feeling like that from Power Grid. On the contrary, we are being, you know, we are having meetings with them every weekly on our dispatches and how we are going to meet their targets. So, in fact, they are pushing us to do more. So, it is on the contrary, what is being said in the newspaper today. Okay. So you think there is no, there is not much delay in terms of not only PGCIL, sir, but other ways also on the transmission side, because there are a lot of external factors also for them to, you know, get it executed. So is there anything where we are not only from their side, but on the other fronts also might be a delay in execution, or are we on track because, We are very much on track. Very much on track. Okay. Gunjan, if you have done, there is one more thing I want to add that, a week back, if you have seen the news article, where the central government has basically instructed power utilities to enhance their CapEx on the T&D sides. So the enhancement CapEx guideline is already there, and there is going to be a huge demand, but that is already. That is there. I'm not denying that, but just from the execution front, because you are into this business day in, day out, so you might know a little more, a little better than what all of us know. So just wanted to gain an insight, because this is a need of the hour that's there, I mean, because if the generation is happening, transmission has to be there. So my second question is, what is our strategy in terms of the export market comparatively? Because there are high numbers of on the transmission side of what U.S., Europe and Africa are going to spend on the transmission. And so are we, what's our strategy going forward for the exports? And, I guess comparatively, margins are also a little higher, and we have got some approvals. So how are we seeing the export market going forward? Gunjan, Gunjan, if you have been tracking our earnings calls and investor calls, our investor interaction. We have been always writing about the export strategies, that how we are focusing on the export market. Also, we have been mentioned in our various calls that we have a target of reaching 25% of order book by end of FY 2026, and we are working on that directions. We have our full-time employee based out of, you can say, Europe. We have our agents across the countries, and we are increasing our footprints, and we have significantly actually enhanced our export team, so we are working on that directions. In the same time, we don't want to lose our Indian customers or Indian opportunities just in order to have the export market, which will give room to the other people to enter, where we are strong. So we are balancing and working on both the sides, and as I said, that FY 2026, you will see 25% of our entire order book will be from the export side. Okay, got it. So the third question is, when we talk about, you know, we are getting backward integrated, like into tanks, radiators, and, you know, bushings and core, CRGO. So, what kind of an EBITDA margin, like, how much of that supply is right now captively used, are we sufficient in terms of our, capacities? But though we are enhancing it as well. So likewise, if I see a power transformer company manufacturing, transformers, plus with you guys manufacturing with backward integration, so what kind of a margins can we see? Because tanks and all are also 8-10% EBITDA margin business. So what kind of a margin expansion, or maybe likewise, what's the difference that we can see if we compare two players with backward integration and not backward integrated? See, there is a misconnection. Today, if you see the EBIT margins with the tank manufacturers, it is more than 25%. Yeah, it's huge because there are no availability of the tanks, in spite of so much of requirement of the tanks. So everybody is struggling to get the tanks at whatever price. The tank which we are getting at INR 110 today is costing me INR 160. And if I go for export of those tanks, it will be more than INR 350 a kilo, taking into account 20% as the transportation costs from here to America. Still, you know, you will make a huge profit, and the plant which we are thinking about or which plant we intend to have is going to be more of, automatic, with less manpower, and it is going to be the largest plant in the world for tank manufacturing. It's going to be the largest, and I mean it. So, you know, there are no such facilities to have such a huge capacity plant for manufacturing transformer tank. Okay. Okay, and just what kind of INR 17,500 crore is the order inquiry pipeline that we have? So what part of that can be addressed in FY 2025 in terms of tenders? Any idea on that? Gunjan, look, the inquiries, order generations is a continuous process of business. Right? Inquiries keep coming and, getting materialized, on the order side. So, it's a continuous process to us, and as you see that, every year we are increasing our order book, significantly, right? There is a robust increase as compared to the FY 2023- FY 2024, and it is going to be the significant increase in the FY 2025 order book also. So I can't tell you that how much percentage and all this, right? But we are working on the guided guidelines and, we are where we want to reach to the three years down the line. Okay? Okay, got it. Thank you so much and good luck. Thank you so much and good luck. Just to add up, Yeah. Some of your questions about the backward integration The backward integration is going to add at least 100 basis points in my standalone books on the EBITDA margin levels. 100 basis points. Okay. Minimum. Thank you. Okay, thank you so much and good luck. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sarvesh Gupta from Maximal Capital. Please go ahead. Sir, good evening, and congratulations for a decent set of numbers. So in this quarter, we have seen some slowdown on a sequential basis. So, were there any factors which led to that? Because we were thinking that because the buying and the demand has been very strong, so you will be continuously sort of fulfilling and booking the orders also in this quarter as well. Sarvesh, basically, it's not a slowdown. It is basically the deliverables, right? There are certain numbers we have to deliver in a certain time period. So, these numbers are what we are based on that. And there is a slight crunch on that, you can say that, because there was a small delay in the CRGO supplies because of the duty restrictions by the government of India side. But by and large, basically our revenues are now depending on the deliverables in every month. And we are working on those directions that whatever the marketing requires, the numbers to be delivered on a monthly basis, we will deliver on those lines. Okay. Did you see any impact of the elections on the deliverables in this quarter? No, no, no, no, there is no impact. Quarter one is always like this, Sarvesh. Okay. And this INR 4,500 crore-INR 5,000 crore in standalone revenue that you expect, this is FY 2028 sort of a number, right? By FY 2027, it's three years. Oh, within the next three years. So INR 2,000 crore and then INR 2,000 crore should become like 4,500 crores in FY 2027. Yes, sir. Okay. And what is the expected order inflow sort of a guidance for this year? But, Sarvesh, even when the order comes, we keep basically announcing that, right? Yeah, but we will be having much, much higher order book what we had in March 31st. From a constraint perspective, like, of course, there's a lot of demand, and I think as you rightly said, you know, customers like Power Grid are also pushing you to sort of do more. So what are the constraints that we are seeing currently in terms of fulfilling the demand, and how do we? So currently, there are some regulations and there are some. See, transformer industry had built up over the last 10 years, but unfortunately, the raw material suppliers could not build up on that. And there is, with the sudden increase in raw material and with some restrictions from the Government of India, we are facing a little problem in obtaining the raw material and that which is being sorted out as we speak. No, so raw material and the pricing of the raw material would be one thing, but in terms of, you know, other things like building a new facility, are you seeing any constraint in terms of procuring? Because the timelines for those machineries might also go up, given that a lot of players are planning to ramp up at the same time. That is all lined up, so there are no issues there. We have commitment from them, and they are genuine suppliers, so we don't worry about it. Okay, because we've been hearing about- December 2024, that our plant will be functional, where it is, because we are aware, we know that our machines will be delivered by November 2024. Understood. And sir, finally, if I may ask one more question. So, you know, earlier and now, I think for the same level of revenues also, we are doing much better margins. So is it because the pricing have gone up or something else which is sort of playing because there is too much demand, so, you know, the transformer? The pricing has gone up as well as because of operational expenses that we are working on. Both are making building in the factor on the profitability. But mainly it would be like, because earlier when we used, we used to do INR 300 crores, we used to get, like, 7%-8% margin. Now we are getting 12%-14% margin in the same sort of a scale. So what is the primary contributor here, sir? Raj, right, to understand it, basically to understand the customer mix, what we had and what the opportunities were existing at that time. There were very limited opportunity existing in the transformer industry in two years or three years down the line. Whereas the opportunities are immense and the customer network and customer base is different. So, earlier, we, the majority of the customers were the state utilities, and on top of that, the suppliers were more, so cutthroat competition was there. And as a few minutes back, the MD, sir, has stated that there is ample demand for everybody, so there is no dearth of the orders. So nobody is going and cutting the pricing levels, right? So the prices have gone up in the last one year and one and a half years' time, as well as the operational excellence. Efficiency also has increased in our organization. And both are contributing to that point. If my MVA production increases, definitely my operational efficiency increases and my margins are increasing. So these two factors are combinedly contributing in this. Understood, sir. And now that many of the producers are also sort of exporting, you know, up to, let's say, 20%-25% of their top line. So now, given that there's a lot of demand in the domestic segment itself, but of course, the export, I would say, would be more lucrative in terms of margins. But, you know, do we feel a risk of a government intervention in terms of our export? Because, you know, the domestic demand might feel, might get somewhat delayed, because everyone wants to export much more, because margins are higher. Sarvesh, Sarvesh, well understood it. Understand that the products which are getting exported and products which are basically required in India at this moment are not on the same line. Majority of the products which are getting exported are either the specialty transformers or the solar IDT transformers. Whereas in India requires more of the high voltage power transformers. So we don't see any such kind of intervention from the government. And also, if you just noted, when I was replying to Gunjan, I said very categorically clear that we are not running for the exports. We will be basically allocating our additional quantities to the export market. So though these things, we don't see that it is coming into the picture. Understood, sir. Thank you and all the best. Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management is able to address questions from all the participants in the conference, please limit your questions to one per participant. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Srinidhi Karlekar from HSBC. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi. Thank you for the opportunity, and congratulations on great set of numbers. So just wanted to know, do you guys manufacture traction transformer? And are you guys seeing opportunity coming from the Vande Bharat train set, traction transformer? We are working on certain projects. The STATCOM transformers that we currently got orders for are for the Vande Bharat program of Indian Railways. Vande Bharat trains. Right. Those are the Vande Bharats. And are the same, the traction transformer? Actually, we see there are two types of traction transformers. One is what we say is track side transformers, and one is which are used in the engine itself. So we are not into the transformers which are used under in the engine. We are on the track side transformers. Track side transformer also they have now come out with a special transformer called Scott -connected transformer, where they change the line or they convert the line, three-phase line to single-phase line to supply to the railway. And train, when you have a three-phase transformer, like the three-phase to single-phase, two-phase transformer, it decreases the transmission line goes for the railways. So there are major advantages, and then they balance it in such a way that not a single line is overloaded. Because it's all track side transformers, so the supply required by the railway trains is single-phase. So you have to have a single-phase line, and if you run only single-phase line, there will be a chaos in the system. So they have a three-phase to two-phase line, which supplies power to the engines or to the railways. Yeah. Thank you. We are into track side transformers. We are also into Scott-connected transformers. And now, as Satyen say, we are also we got the order for STATCOM transformer, which stabilizes the line. They are mainly used for stabilization of the line, so that unequal voltages reduces and no disturbances in the system. Right. And sir, the STATCOM transformer that goes into grid application, are you present in that market? Yes. Yes, we are very much in that, very much. Okay. Yeah. So thank you for answering my question, and all the very best. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amit Mahawar from UBS. Please go ahead. Yeah, thank you. So congratulations on great results. I just want to understand, we also deal with global peers, like GE, Hitachi, et cetera, right? Probably we have made supplies to them, both in India and maybe globally. In FY 2024, you know, can you broadly share, you know, what percentage of our sales comes from supplies to some of the global peers? Amit, I would basically request you to go through our FY 2024 investor presentation. Okay. So you will get all the details in that, sir. Okay. Which is available on the stock market and our website. Okay, fair. Value of 2024. Okay, fair point. Thank you. Second question, sir, is on the export opportunity. You know, globally, China used to be one of the largest suppliers to the West, almost $5 billion at the peak, you know, exports of Chinese transformers globally, which is not the case right now. They, they don't get you know, proper reception or audience on the Western grids because of various issues, including security. So what is the total total opportunity for for the domestic transmission equipment players, if I right now foresee, particularly from maybe developed markets, if you have that assessment, sir? Thank you. So Amit, we would be doing around 25% of our turnover in exports and not beyond that. So, and there are enough opportunities that we are looking at in terms of exports in Europe and in U.S. So, pretty much 25% is achievable. Okay. Okay, so you're saying broadly in three years' time, around INR 1,000 crore is what you are looking at? Yeah. Yeah. Amit, you want to understand more about the global market scenario. Anytime you can connect me, I can guide you on that. Sure, sir, sure. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nikhil Abhyankar from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead. Sure, sir. Thank you, so I wanted to understand about this core transformer. Is this kind of a one-time event that the railway is undertaking? And what kind of a total market? What is the TAM for this product? Nikhil, see, they are increasing the speed of the trains. So whatever are the transformers, besides the, the new tracks which they are building, they need to change the transformer, you know, because with the existing transformer, which are smaller in size, which were taking care of average speed of the train to be 70, 80, now we are talking about the average speed of 120 to 140. So, you know, these transformers are to be replaced immediately. So the, the railway is in a short supply for the transformers. They are looking for the good vendors, and they are doing everything to ensure that their, their program for electrifying the lines or increasing the speed of the train does not hamper, you know? So they are in a big way into this, and we are getting the opportunities every now and then from the railways for this. Besides that, metros, you know, just look at the metros. Mm-hmm. Metros are coming up everywhere, and they are expanding so much, like, almost like 80% of the transformers used by metros in Delhi are ours. Ahmedabad is 100% ours, Cochin 100% ours, Goa is ours. So we have been established as a major player in the transformers also for the metros. They are similar to what you require for the trains. They are a little smaller, but they are almost the same. And Nikhil, seeing the size of railway one-time opportunity in railway, will be how large you can analyze yourself, even if it is there. So, we did some math, and we came out with an opportunity of somewhere around INR 5,000 crores. So is that fair, or will it be higher than that? We will be not able to answer you this question. The railway ministry can give you this answer. Sure, sure, sir. Okay. So, and just to understand the market for the solar renewables, so is it fair to assume that one gigawatt of, say, solar PV will require one GVA of IDT transformers? Will it be more or less? It will be more than that. It will be more than that. A little more than that, yeah. Okay, understood. See, what happens is, IDT is maybe one GVA, but one GVA you require for even getting the power to the grid. Mm-hmm. So for one GVA of power, you require two GVA of transformer, minimum. This could be- It will be little more than that. Okay. Because they don't want to have any outage during the operation, so they prefer to have little larger transformer than they require. Understood. Sure, sir. Thank you, yeah. Okay. Thank you, sir, and all the best. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mayank Bhandari from Asian Markets Securities. Please go ahead. Moderator, can you just please take the next two or three questions maximum, and one question from each, please? Sure, sure, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. Sir, I wanted to know what would be the CapEx for this year for the expansion you are doing in Changodar, and as you have given now the guidance for next two years, the revenue should reach to almost INR 4,000 crore. What is our CapEx guidance for FY 2025, 2026 also? Mayank, for the current year CapEx guidance, we have already given in our QIP documents. You can go through that, and you can get the details from that. And for FY 2025, 2026, we don't see any CapEx requirement as of now. It's pretty early for that. Okay. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pradeep Singh from Finstream Capital. Please go ahead. Hello? Hello. Yes, please. Hello. So my question is already answered. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, should we take the next question? Yes, please. Yes, yes, please. Yeah. So the next question is from the line of Chinmay Kabra from Emkay Global Financial Services. Please go ahead. Yeah, hi, sir. Congratulations on good set of numbers. Just really wanted to get a sense of the inquiry pipeline of INR 135 billion. Like, if I could, maybe get a breakup on a sectoral level, I mean, what is the opportunity side that we would be looking from the solar and the green hydrogen transformers that we are going to be manufacturing going ahead? So just the market size, if any fair understanding of that. Chinmay, currently we are only taking a few. We have only taken a few orders from select few customers of ours who have been very loyal to us. But amongst this 1750, INR 17,500 crores order inquiries, none of them are from solar. Solar, we will only start going after the first half. We will start going to people only after the first half, once we are towards the functionally fully functional plant, we'll start quoting to customers for solar transformers. So you can expect after September, we will start quoting to for solar transformers. Understood, sir. From our inquiries, that there is nothing in solar. Sure, sir. Just really wanted an understanding about the capacity utilization? Hello, sorry to interrupt, sir. You may follow the question queue for follow-up questions. The next question is from the line of Khadija Mantri from Capri Global. Please go ahead. Good evening, sir. Congratulations on the great set of numbers. So my question is, you said that we are present in STATCOM transformer and grid applications. Can you please comment on the market size and the number of players in this space, and the opportunity going forward? Khadija, I think this question has already been addressed by our Chairman and MD, actually more than once, in this conversation. Okay, then maybe I missed it. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Abhijit from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead. Thank you for the opportunity, sir. Just one question from my end. What is the size of the order that we received for this STATCOM single phase? Could you please quantify that? That is close to about INR 198 crore, if I'm not wrong. Just give me a moment. 193 MVA. So, I think it should be around INR 200 crore. Somewhere around INR 200 crore. Right, sir. So about INR 1 crore per MVA? Yeah, yeah. All right. And sir, what would be the proportion of traction transformer business in our order book at the end of Q1? Uh, currently, in Q1, there's nothing that we manufacture for traction transformers. Yeah. I mean, sir, part of the order book, like the entire order book, out of that? Around 5%-7%. All right. Thanks. That would be it from me. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Riya B. from VF Securities. Please go ahead. The new capacity that you're adding in September 2024 and December 2024, what would be the revenue contribution from each of these facilities? Riya, this, first of all, this is September and December. Basically, it is the one capacity expansion, which is basically coming by December as of now, right? And this is for 12,000 MVA addition for the entire year. Right. We are expecting close to INR 1,000 crore addition once it is fully functioned and fully operational. Okay, and you will expect it to be fully operational, and by what? What is the timeline on that? From the December onwards, it is available, it will be... It is, it will be available for the production. Okay. And as just MD sir has mentioned that from September onwards, we will start taking the order booking for these transformers. Digital transformers. Got it. Thank you very much. Thank you. We will take this as the last question. I would now like to hand the conference to Mr. Subhadip Mitra for closing comments. Over to you, sir. Thank you. On behalf of Nuvama Institutional Equities, I would like to thank the management for giving us this opportunity to host the call. Any closing comments from your side, sir, over to you. Thank you to each and every one of you for being part of the earnings call and participating in the call. We appreciate your support and trust in us. We hope we have been able to address most of your queries. In case of any further queries that you may have, you may reach out to our investor relations advisor, and they will connect you with Chanchal. Have a great weekend. Thank you. Thank you. On behalf of Transformers and Rectifiers India Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.