Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Adani Ports and SEZ Limited Q1 FY 2024 earnings conference call, hosted by ICICI Securities. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference, please signal an operator by pressing Star, then Zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Mohit Kumar from ICICI Securities. Thank you. Over to you, sir. Thank you, Aman. Welcome you all to the Q1 FY 2024 earnings conference call for Adani Ports and SEZ. Today, we have with us Mr. Karan Adani, CEO and Whole Time Director, Mr. Subrat Tripathi, CEO of the Ports Business, Mr. Sushant Kumar Mishra, CEO, Adani Logistics, Mr. D. Muthukumaren, CFO of Adani Ports, and Mr. Charanjit Singh, Head of Investor Relations and ESG. We'll start with a brief opening remarks by the management team, post which we'll open it up for Q&A. Without much delay, I would hand over the call to Mr. Charanjit Singh. Over to you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mohit, good evening, everyone, and a warm welcome. Thanks for taking out the time to join our call. Our template for the call will be like the previous calls. We'll start with the remarks from the CEO, then we'll directly go into Q&A. Please keep in mind that for any group-related questions or any other company, you can reach out to me directly after this call. On the call, the focus will be entirely on APSEZ. Without taking much time, I'll request Mr. Karan Adani to provide the highlights for Q1 FY 2024. Over to you, Mr. Adani. Thank you. Thank you, Charanjit. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the Quarter 1 FY 2024 conference call to discuss the operational and financial performance of APSEZ. I am pleased to announce that APSEZ has delivered its strongest ever quarterly operating performance in Quarter 1 of FY 2024, with record quarterly cargo volumes, revenue and EBITDA and PAT, despite our operationals being adversely impacted around 6 days due to cyclone Biparjoy at 3 of our ports in Gujarat. That represents over 50% of APSEZ's cargo handling capacity. Starting with financials, APSEZ delivered a record quarterly operating revenue of INR 6,248 crores, implying 24% year-on-year growth. EBITDA, including Forex impact, was at INR 3,765 crores, implying 80% year-on-year growth on like-to-like basis. EBITDA, excluding Forex impact, was at INR 3,754 crore, implying 14% year-on-year growth on like-to-like basis. The port's EBITDA margin for the quarter is 72%, reflecting 150 basis points year-on-year increase. The EBITDA margin of logistics business also observed 150 basis points increase to jump to 28%. This is higher than the listed peers in India. The profit after tax for the quarter increased by 80% year-on-year to INR 2,119 crore. Moving to operational highlights, starting with our ports business. We achieved a record cargo throughput of 101.4 million metric ton, reflecting a 12% year-on-year growth. Within India, our cargo volumes grew by 8%, which is around 3 times the country's cargo growth rate for the quarter. The robust growth has resulted in APSEZ's market share increasing by 200 basis points to 26% during the quarter. Mundra continues to be the largest container handling port of India, with 1.72 million TEUs managed during the quarter. This is 12% higher than its closest competitor. Three of our ports, Krishnapatnam, Dhamra, and Tuna, recorded their highest ever quarterly volumes during this quarter. Our newly acquired assets, Haifa Port and Karaikal Port, have ramped up well, with monthly cargo volumes now touching 1 million metric ton mark at the, at both these ports. Our flagship port, Mundra, cognizant of the growing container cargo demand, is adding capacity in advance. A new berth, T3, with a capacity of 0.8 million TEUs, is set to be commissioned in Q3 of the current financial year. To augment container rail handling capacity, 5 new lines are being added that will increase the cargo handling capacity by over 30%. During the current financial year, we are also targeting the commissioning of India's largest transshipment port at Vizhinjam. Moving to operational performance of logistics business, our overall rail volumes recorded a healthy growth of 18% year-on-year to 131,420 TEUs. The bulk cargo transported also increased by a strong 40% year-on-year to 4.35 million metric tons. To enable our logistics business growth, we are adding more trains. During the quarter, two trains were added, taking the total count of train to 95. This includes 43 container trains and 42 bulk trains. Orders are already placed for another 13 bulk trains and 24 container trains. Alongside, we continue to increase the count of multimodal logistics park. By the end of the current financial year, we are targeting for MMLP count of 12, with the commissioning of ICD in Virochannagar, Loni and Valvada. Finally, the guidance of FY 2024. With cargo volume of 100+ million metric ton in quarter one, we are confident of meeting our cargo volume and financial guidance for FY 2024, provided in May at the time of full year results. We can now open the forum for Q&A. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may "press star and one" on the touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may "press star and two". Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Sumit Kishore from Axis Capital. Please go ahead. Good evening. Thanks for the opportunity. It's, it's good to see a strong quarterly performance by Adani Ports. My first question is, in FY 2022 end, your warehousing capacity was 0.8 million sq ft, and so far, till Q1 FY 2024, you are at about 1.6 million sq ft. How will the ramp up to 60 million sq ft be phased out, and what will be the associated CapEx? We have roughly as of right now 5 million square feet under construction. We would be looking to we would be looking to add roughly 10 million square feet every year in order to reach, reach that target. What will be the associated CapEx roughly? For this year's guidance, CapEx guidance already takes into account the 5 million sq ft. For next year, we would for the remaining, we would look at, we would look at roughly INR 1,800 per sq ft as a ballpark. INR 1,800-INR 2,000 per sq ft, as a ballpark figure to compute the CapEx. Got it. My second question is, is also on logistics. Could you help disaggregate the logistics rail volumes of 131,420 TEUs into EXIM and domestic? Basically, you know, what has been the year-on-year volume growth in each? Is the EXIM imbalance situation, you know, expected to improve for rail container business in the balanced fiscal? Roughly nine, 90% of our volume is EXIM, 10% is domestic. We, we, we mainly run Mundra, Mundra, Mundra and North Supatly and Kila Raipur as the circuits. We, we have a very balanced, we have a very balanced route right now. We don't see any imbalance as an issue. In essence, we have actually seen more efficiency coming in with the double stack counts increasing. Especially with the DFC getting commissioned, we have seen the efficiency factors improving significantly. Okay. The volume growth of high teens or 20% that we see is showing up in your EXIM volume growth, mainly? That would be- right to conclude. That's. Yes, that's right. You're clearly gaining market share in your Mundra to North India route, as of now, because your competitors don't seem to be showing similar growth in EXIM. Is that right to conclude? That's, that's right to conclude. Yeah. Thank you, and wish you all the best. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aviram Iyer from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Hi, thanks for taking my question, and congrats on a fantastic set of results. My question is basically a bit, you know, operational, but can you provide what the debt and cash numbers were at the end of the quarter? The total gross debt is INR 48,800 crore, and cash is INR 9,800 crore. Total net debt is about INR 39,000 crore. INR 40,800 and INR 9,800, right? Does the gross debt- Eight thousand eight hundred, nine thousand- Sorry, sorry. The gross debt is INR 48,000- Okay. crores. Cash is INR 9,900 crore. Yeah, gross debt is around INR 39,000 crore. Understood. This gross debt is inclusive of, of the short-term debt, as well. Effectively, we've seen a sequential drop. Small drop. Yeah. Absolutely next to nothing short-term debt. It includes. Got it. Thanks. I'll get back to you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Achal Lohade from JM Financial. Please go ahead. Yeah, good evening. Thank you for the opportunity. You know, the first question I had was, we have, we have touched 100 million tons plus in this quarter, and I see that we are still maintaining 370-390 guidance. You know, can you help us understand, are you expecting any decline from here on, or we being bit more extra conservative out here? Any particular cargo or a port where you see a pressure on the volumes? So far, we are not seeing any pressures in the volume. You would have seen the June July number also reflects the similar sort of, similar sort of growth that we are continuing. We don't foresee any slowdown as of right now. In that case, Karan, how do we explain 370 to 390? If I simply analyze INR 100 million, it, it crosses actually INR 400 million mark, mark for FY 2024. Achal, we can't be changing the guidance on a quarterly basis, right? We have some plus, some minuses can happen, right? We continue to grow, so we are optimistic. At the right point in time, we might like to change the guidance, but not at this point in time. Understood. Second question I had, you know, if you look at Krishnapatnam, the margins have improved fairly significantly. Can you help us understand the measures which are driving this margin improvements and the sustainability of this? Is there any one-off in any of the other ports as well, where the, you know, the particular cargo or a particular receipt is helping boosting the margins? No, there is no one-off in any of the port items at any places. It is a clear reflection of the volumes which you see. The port has recorded the highest ever quarterly volumes, and that's the reason for improved margins. Understood. If I may ask, you know, the impact of the cyclone, you said, six days, kind of impacted our capacity. Is there any way to estimate what is the impact in terms of revenue loss or the margin? We lost 2 million tons of handling volume because of the cyclone. Would that be covered in this quarter, or not really, that's gone for good? Sorry, covered meaning? I mean, you know, effectively, that gets pushed in the following days and the quarter. Will this be covered in, or compensated in the second quarter, volume? I mean, directionally, yes, but accurate number prediction will be difficult. Directionally, yes, because some volume of cargo that actually didn't show up, may show up in the next quarter, July. Got it. Thank you. I'll fall back in the queue. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Paras Shah from HSBC. Please go ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Hey, Karan. I have two questions. First, can you talk a bit about how has been onboarding of Haifa been to your portfolio? Probably after initial seeding issue, what, what sort of margins shall we, shall we model as we exit from this financial year on a steady state basis? Secondly, with Vizhinjam coming to an end by the end of this year, any timeline for the Colombo port and both of those ports combining together, will you be looking to divest stake at the terminal level to any of your anchor customers? How would be the strategy to gain, gain a sizable transshipment volume from the get-go? Thanks, Paras. On the Colombo, we expect phase one of Colombo to be commissioned by December of 2024. As you know, we already have partners over there. We have John Keells and Sri Lanka Ports Authority as partners. We don't look at, and so we are not looking at divestment of any equity over there. We do expect that there is enough volume over there in order to fill up the, fill up the terminal. In terms of Vizhinjam, we have our coming first lot of cranes coming in October of this year, and we expect commissioning to be done by March of 2024. We expect phase one to be commissioned. We have even over there, as of right now, we are not looking to divest any equity. We have enough interest from shipping lines to make to make to make this as a hub. And we, we, we, we are, we are looking at being more on cost competitive in that region. That is how we are looking at it. In terms of, in terms of Haifa, the onboarding has been good. We are still going through some of the integration. We have appointed a new CEO over there, and we have also changed the board. We are in right now in the midst of negotiation with the unions to reduce to reduce some of the manpower over there to go through the VRS scheme. As you know, that 80% of the cost over there, operating cost, is manpower cost, and that is reflecting in the EBITDA margin. Once we are able-- We are confident that we will be able to settle with the union by December of this year. Once done, we will see good growth, I mean, improvement in the margins from then on, then onwards. In terms of volume, we are very happy with the volume growth. We are clocking 1 million ton per month in Haifa. We have gained some of the cargo which we had lost, which the port had lost when they were doing the divestment. We are very confident that by end of this financial year, we would be clocking around anything between 12 to 14 million tons of cargo in Haifa. your registered margin probably will be, or is there any numbers in mind? It's hard to give you exactly what will be the margins, because, it will all depend on how much, what we are able to negotiate with the unions. I think we will be able- Fair enough. To give you an accurate number in December, in terms of what will be ongoing, margins over there. Okay. Thank you, and have a wonderful evening. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone who wish to ask a question, may "please press star one" at this time. The next question is from the line of Shabad Thadani from Arkhan Capital. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hi, good evening. Congrats on a very strong set of numbers. Just had a question, I guess, more from a fixed income perspective. I think when the company had reported earnings last or towards the end of the fiscal 2023, you done a partial tender for the Adani Ports. Sorry, speak up. Your voice is not coming clearly. Sorry about that. Hi, sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes, better. Yeah, hi. Congrats on a strong set of numbers. I guess, just a question from a fixed income perspective. The company had announced a tender for the Adani Ports '24s, I think back in April. The, the messaging then was that they would continue to do so every three months, I guess, leading up to the maturity next July. Is that still part of the plans? I guess we've gone through July 2023 without any incremental announcements. Yeah. Our plan, as you know that our plan, which we have communicated to all the investor, is that by March of 2024, we want to have our net debt to EBITDA around 2.5x. As part of it, we would be, we would look at strategically when to, when to come out and, you know, do the repayments of, of, of the, the June bonds as well. That is still on cards. I think the timing of it, we, we, we, we will keep it open in terms of to look at it opportunistically, when would be the right time to do it. Understood. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Asmita Sidhu from MetLife Investment Management. Please go ahead. Hi. Thank you, management, and congrats on your results. I just have a quick question, actually, regarding your ESG goals. I noticed on slide 34, that your current renewable energy share is at 14% versus your 2025 target of 100%. Could we just get an idea how the ramp-up will go from 14% to 100% in the next 18 months? Thank you. Sure. We, we are in currently in implementation of 250 megawatts of renewable energy, which we expect to be commissioned by April of 2024, 2024. We, we do expect with 250 megawatts, we would be reaching roughly, roughly 90% of the renewable shares. That's great. Thank you very much, and have a good evening. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Atul Tiwari from Citi. Please go ahead. Yes, sir. Just a question on the rail logistics business? Atul, your voice is not clear. Can you please use your handset? Just a second. Yeah. Is it, is it better now? Yes. Go ahead, please. Yeah. Yeah, sir, just a question on the container logistics business. Obviously we have seen very strong growth. On the EXIM side, what would be your current market share? Would you have some data on that? Sir, sorry, can you repeat that question? Sir, basically on, for the container logistics, on the EXIM side. You, what would be your current market share? Current market share from a port perspective or overall EXIM volume? In terms of the overall EXIM volume. I mean, the kind of, the number of containers that you have handled on your rail- So to be- versus the total industry. To be honest, Atul, we don't track on the pan-India basis because we, as you know, that most of our circuits that we run are Mundra to North India, right now, as of right now, and from Tumb to GNPT or Tumb to Hazira. I can tell you that from Mundra perspective, ALL's market share from all the rail volume moving out of Mundra is roughly at around 13%-14%. But for a pan-India basis, let me come back to you and we can the team can give you offline that number. Okay. Obviously, you mentioned that 24 trains you have ordered. on the container side. It looks like that you continue to expect pretty strong growth on that side of the business over the next two to three years. What, I mean, what kind of volume growth should we pencil in? We would, we would look at similar growth that what we have been achieving in the last three years. If you've seen in the last three years, we've been consistently growing at anything between 20%-25%. We are very confident of achieving those, continuing with that sort of target. As you know that we have commissioned the ICD in Nagpur, so that will be a completely new area for us, where we will be gaining market share. We would be starting by April of, I mean, by March of next year, we would be starting our ICD in Ahmedabad, so that will be again a new, new market share that we'll be taking. We have, what we have planned is, the rakes coming in with the assets that we are adding and getting commission. With that, we are very confident that 20%-25% growth in rail volume will continue. Great, sir. Thanks a lot. Thanks, everyone. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vishal from Silverdale. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks. Good evening, Karan. Just one question. I think on the cash level, what I heard was that the cash at the end of the quarter was about INR 9,000 crore. If I look at the covenant calculation on the last page of your financial statements, the cash mentioned is about INR 3,700 crore. Could you be able to reconcile, what's the difference in those two numbers? That's one. Second, how much of this cash is restricted versus unrestricted? How much of the cash is at the Haifa Port? That would be useful. Thank you. See, the difference between the INR 9,800 crore that we told you, versus what you see in the annexure, is consolidated versus standalone. The one in the annexure is standalone, which is a requirement under the LODR to actually separately file the covenants against the NCDs that is outstanding. [crosstalk] That is it. Yeah. All the cash is actually unrestricted. Thank you. Hello? Yeah. Vishal, is your question answered? Yeah. Thanks. Yes. Well- Sorry, your voice is breaking, Vishal. We couldn't hear you. Can you still hear? Yes. We'll move to the next question. That is from the line of Aviram Iyer from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Hi. Thanks for the follow-up opportunity. My question is a bit medium-term. Has there been any talks conducted with the Gujarat Maritime, both on extending Mundra Port's concession? There were a few news reports last year, been no updates beyond that. Is it too early to sort of think about that at the moment from, from the company's perspective? We, as, as we've been mentioning, we are, we are in touch with Gujarat government to come out with a policy. It's not just Mundra Port, but all the, all the minor ports or all the private ports which are operated in, in the state of Gujarat. The government is formulating a policy. We, we are hopeful that we should be able to hear something soon. As of right now, there is no new update to give on that front. Got it. Does the company have any expectations on when this might be? This year, next year? With, with the elections coming up, obviously, that might take a backseat. Any expectations from the company? As long as we get clarity, that's more than important. Fair enough. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pulkit from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Yeah, thank you for taking my questions. I have two questions. First is, as part of your annual report, in the three pillars of growth, you talk about, you know, building port interest outside of India, and this is through acquisition. Could you highlight what are the key things that we look for, when we are looking at, you know, these, these ports outside India, given that we already have two assets, under, under either construction or, or, or, operations for us? That is my question number onechara. Sure. I think what we look for outside India, obviously, first is basic is the returns have to be same as India, if not more. Second, we look at what kind of partners we are getting. You know, if we are getting a good partner, then only we would be entering. As you, as you have seen in the last two investments, we have local partners over there. The third is, we would obviously look at what is the size of the market share that we can get by investing in that in that region. Unless it's not a significant market share, that's, again, that won't be of interest. As you can see in Haifa, it's, you know, 50% of country's volume moves through Haifa Port. That is a significant, significant presence that we can have. Obviously, the last one is how how it can benefit by having a position from our existing... How can it value add into our existing portfolio? This is more of a longer term, part of longer part of long, longer strategic direction, not a short term or a medium term. Field we would do. Sorry? It will be only an operational port, or we could look at doing greenfield ports also outside of India? Most it will be, it will be operational ports, and it would be. Even if it is greenfield, it would be more like a terminal, like what we have done in what we are doing in Colombo, which is more in a controlled environment. We wouldn't be doing a full-fledged greenfield port in, in outside India. Second question is, while Challenger did highlight that you don't want to be coming in the first quarter and changing your guidance, is it also because of the fact that we are seeing these, export bans for, for, you know, food products from India, as well as, you know, some of the global shipping lines have issued, you know, profit warnings or, or volume warnings? Is that something that is also factored in, which is why despite doing, doing such, great volumes in the first four months, you're holding back on increasing your guidance? No, we are, we are bullish on India, we are bullish on the trade. As you know, that we are multi-commodity, so we, as part of our de-risking, we don't rely only on container or only on coal. That is the strength of the group, that and of the company, that if we are seeing a slowdown in one part, we, we are able to ramp up quickly on the other part of the other part of the other part of the other part of the cargo segment. Also with geographical diversification, we are also de-risking from just one particular part of the part of one particular pockets of the of the country. I think, I think it's just, it's nothing to do with, that we are, cautious, but I think it's as Charanjit said, that it would be it, it, it would be, not prudent to change right now, and maybe in October, we would, we would be able to give a better guidance if we have to change. Got it. Thank you for those answers. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nikhil Abhyankar from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead. Thanks. Thank you for the opportunity, and congrats on the good set of numbers, sir. I have just 1 question. The realizations for Q1 are down on a Y-o-Y and on QoQ basis. Is it purely because of the mix? Have you taken the price hikes for the year? Yeah. Hi, you're right. Actually, it's about a 2% reduction, but it's by and large, because of the mix. The important number to note is actually the port EBITDA, which actually is at 72%. In absolute terms, EBITDA has grown as well. It's, you're absolutely right. It is, mix. Okay. Sir, have you taken the price hikes for FY 2024? Yes. Yes, we have taken. Uh- We will see the full effect of price hike from July onwards. Because that- If you can quantify the price hike or blended? Yeah. As you, as you know, that we keep guiding, it's around 2-2.5% of our total per ton revenue. Okay. Okay, sir. Thank you. That's all from my end. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nikhil Nigania from AllianceBernstein. Please go ahead. taking my question. I just have 1 question. Good to see strong set of numbers in the first quarter on volumes. But just on a longer guidance on 500 million tons in FY 2025, now that most of the inorganic growth seems behind Krishnapatnam, Gangavaram, Coracle, Haifa. Apart from Vizhinjam, what else is maybe under evaluation or something in mind to help us get close to that guidance of 500 million tons next fiscal? No, 500 million tons is predominantly from our existing assets. Obviously, it also takes into account Colombo as well as Vizhinjam coming online fully, which itself would add roughly, if I'm not wrong, 25-30 million tons of volume additionally. But this is predominantly from our existing portfolio and existing assets. understood. Also. Sorry, just, and also what is more important is that we would still hit our revenue and EBITDA targets even if we are a little bit short of the 500, in case if we do. We will still achieve the guidance of revenue and EBITDA. Got it. Thank you. Just one follow-up to that. On the inorganic front, is the company finding it a bit challenging now, to use that lever, given there aren't too many opportunities left, in India, per se? No. There are, as you know, that, lot of between FY 2028 and FY 2030, lot of concessions will come up for renewal. That will give us another opportunity of growth. Otherwise, we would look at expanding our, our existing portfolio. We would look at increasing our portfolio as a, as a transport utility over there. Understood. That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Achal Lohade from JM Financial. Please go ahead. Yeah, thank you for the follow-up. You know, just wanted to clarify with respect to your CapEx, you know, guidance, is, you know, is there anything new which is built-in in the CapEx, or it's the same capital allocation what you had talked about in terms of ports, earlier, in, in the overall CapEx number of INR 4,500 crores? No, right now, there is no change in our CapEx guidance. We are still well within our guided range of INR 4,500-INR 5,000. There is no change on that. Understood. And any- Right now. Got it. Any update on the Diggy port, where, where we are? What is the plan here from next 3 to 5 years perspective? Yeah. So as you know that we are working on the railway line to connect. We, we, we've got the approval from the Maharashtra government, and the land acquisition is underway right now. We are also developing the. A lot of work to be done in terms of rejuvenating the existing jetties and the backup area, so we are working on that. The road connectivity, which was also an issue, we've used this year to finish that. Got, got, 4-lane road connectivity all the way to the port. We are confident that we will be able to create an alternate to JNPT at Diggy. Is there any CapEx guidance you can provide, indicate for next three to four years at Digport? Yeah, at, at that port? It'll be hard to give you a port-by-port guidance. I think what we give as an overall guidance, that includes all of these things. Understood. Just one clarification with respect to, in the PPT, you have talked about the, Marine Flotilla. Is that the harbor business? Because we are, the number in terms of the increase in the, you know, the equipments, it's substantially increased. So is there any, any color you can provide in that? Yeah. That is, the, the, the, the tug business. That is the Ocean Sparkle business and the harbor business. That's right. That, that is part of... That, that predominant increase is because of Ocean Sparkle acquisition, which we did last year. Got it. Thank you. That's all from my end. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone who wish to ask a question at this time, they may "please press star one". The next question is from the line of Yunyun Bai from Barings. Please go ahead. Oh, hi. Thank you for the opportunity. I have two quick questions. Sorry, Union, you're not audible clearly. Can I request you to use the handset closer to your mic? Can you hear me now? Is that better? Much better. Thank you. Okay, great. I have two quick questions. One is about your secured debt. I think at the year-end, if I remember correctly, you have about 20% of the secured debt, and you said you're going to repay them over time in financial year 2024. Can you give us an update on this? Can you repeat the question? I didn't quite catch the question. You're asking for secured debt? Yeah. No, none of our bonds are secured. They are all unsecured. The only secured debt we have is actually the domestic bonds, which is actually debentures, which is also waning, which is today at INR 6,000 crore, round number, approximate number. INR 6,000 crore? INR 6,000 crore. Okay. At the end of the year. At the end of the year. Okay, thank you. Also, how about share pledge? I think at year-end, the share pledge is still about, 4.5%. What i s the level now? This share pledge actually is a secondary collateral for operating assets. There are no loans outstanding. Therefore, actually, all these share pledges... You're asking about promoter-level share pledge, right? I'm asking about the promoter share pledge. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's actually a secondary, and there are no loan outstanding at the promoter level, as we speak. Okay. Okay, thanks for the update. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aditya Mongia from Kotak Securities. Please go ahead. Thank you for the opportunity, and congratulations for a very strong set of results. My question, linked to CONCOR. The question was, with every year of deferment of privatization and you kind of scaling up your own business, does the attractiveness of CONCOR for you come down over time? It's. Directionally. Di-directionally, yes, but, we would look at, w e'll keep evaluating it. Understood. Also wanted to get an importance, the importance of this asset. Let's say, any early signs of FY 2025 in terms of, let's say, your own CapEx and the ability to give a fairly decent bid for CONCOR if it were to happen? Sorry, can you say, can you repeat that? What I'm suggesting is that in case in FY 2025, the privatization were to happen, do we believe that, given our own, kind of criteria of where we want to have leverage and what kind of CapEx we'd be having, we would be able to give it a decent shot? Yeah, we would find a way to do it. If it is- If the asset is interesting, we'll find a financing solution. The broad leverage level on the long term is what we have given you the guidance. Mm. Understood. Just a second question, anything specific that you would want to share about, let's say, recent news flows on Tanzania and Adani Ports, acquiring assets over there? Tanzania, we are currently doing operating and maintenance. So anything else, we will actually update you at an appropriate point in time. Right now, there's nothing else to update. Right now, we are just doing O&M. At an appropriate time, we would, if there is anything else. Yeah. Just lastly, now thousand, or let's say 1 billion tons by 2030, is a more longer-term target that you've spoken about. As you become the largest port operator over time, how much do you envisage would be the share of overseas within that? Roughly not more than 10%-15%. Understood. Very clear. Thank you. Those were my questions. Thank you. Thank you. A reminder to our participants, please "press star and one" to ask a question. Ladies and gentlemen, as there are no further questions from the participants, I now hand the conference back to the management for their closing remarks. Thank you, and over to you. Thank you very much for joining the call. Looking forward to have you again back on the call in the month of October, when we will give our quarterly results. Thank you, and good day. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of ICICI Securities, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect.